Mikie2times Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell was a beast today, and has really started to develop into a fine OLB. I decided to compare Angelo's stat line to that of TKO's 2004 pro bowl campaign; I think it will really surprise some to see the results. Projecting Crowell’s current stats over 16 games his line would look like this 112 Tackles 76 Solo 36 Assist 6 Sacks 2 Forced Fumbles 4 INT 6 Passes defended TKO's 2004 line 99 Tackles 64 Solo 35 Assist 3 Sacks 3 Forced Fumbles 5 INT 17 Passes defended 2 TD's The point of this is not to say Angelo is playing at TKO's level, because TKO is simply a game changing defender, and one of the best coverage LB's in the NFL. But this first year starter is surpassing TKO's outstanding 2004 season in many areas, and I think it's safe to say he will be a big part of our future. Also while people have many legitimate beefs with TD we should take a step back and look at the draft we had in 2003. Our first four picks that year included Willis, Kelsey, Crowell, and Magee. That's a pretty sick draft and certainly one of the best that year.
agilen Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Do you think Crowell will replace Posey next year when TKO comes back?
Kelly the Dog Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell had quite a good game yesterday, especially and obviously his INT and sack, not to mention the monster hit he put on Dante Hall on special teams, but his tackles this year and yesterday have been 6-10 yards off the LOS on many or most of the plays. That is not necessarily a good play other than to say it wasn't 8-12 yards off the LOS. He is getting better and could be a good player, he obviously has good hands, good speed and some big play ability.
ch19079 Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 you should not project sacks or INTs. but he has done a very good job. i hope next season, when Spikes is back, we can cut Posey and move Crowell over to the other side. when he was drafted, the one thing everyone said about him was that he was a tackleing machine. im glad he has this oportunity to show what he can do.
DeeRay Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell has done a good job by any standard. When it's all said and done, the defensive problems the Bills have experienced this season are not due to his play.
ch19079 Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell has done a good job by any standard. When it's all said and done, the defensive problems the Bills have experienced this season are not due to his play. 502420[/snapback] did yall notice our DTs actually hitting the RBs? i was very surprised. yeah, they did seem to always pickup 3, or 5, or 9 yards a carry. but our DTs played better than thay have all season. (not great, just better). i just had to give them some credit. (even though we know we will be signing 2 FA DTs).
Pete Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Wow that 2003 draft was kickass! I thought I read Donahue sucks
Matt in KC Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell was a beast today, and has really started to develop into a fine OLB. I decided to compare Angelo's stat line to that of TKO's 2004 pro bowl campaign; I think it will really surprise some to see the results. 502347[/snapback] Another great post, Mike. I always like reading your stats-driven posts.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 I think he may replace TKO when TKO comes back. Coming back from an achillies is no easy thing. If TKO loses even 5% of his speed, sad to say, but at the NFL level he's nothing. Personally speaking after tearing mine, I never went to the pro bowl again. Prior to that I was able to get tickets one year! Do you think Crowell will replace Posey next year when TKO comes back? 502389[/snapback]
Mikie2times Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 Do you think Crowell will replace Posey next year when TKO comes back? 502389[/snapback] I think he will be but I still don't see Posey going anywhere next season. To many question marks surround TKO's comeback, and Posey remains serviceable, and somebody we might need if TKO can't return to the player he was.
Pass the Pipe Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Crowell was a beast today, and has really started to develop into a fine OLB. I decided to compare Angelo's stat line to that of TKO's 2004 pro bowl campaign; I think it will really surprise some to see the results. Projecting Crowell’s current stats over 16 games his line would look like this 112 Tackles 76 Solo 36 Assist 6 Sacks 2 Forced Fumbles 4 INT 6 Passes defended TKO's 2004 line 99 Tackles 64 Solo 35 Assist 3 Sacks 3 Forced Fumbles 5 INT 17 Passes defended 2 TD's The point of this is not to say Angelo is playing at TKO's level, because TKO is simply a game changing defender, and one of the best coverage LB's in the NFL. But this first year starter is surpassing TKO's outstanding 2004 season in many areas, and I think it's safe to say he will be a big part of our future. Also while people have many legitimate beefs with TD we should take a step back and look at the draft we had in 2003. Our first four picks that year included Willis, Kelsey, Crowell, and Magee. That's a pretty sick draft and certainly one of the best that year. 502347[/snapback] Good Post, but why did it take this coaching staff 3 years to discover this guy? He made more plays yesterday than Jeff Posey did in 2 or 3 years with this team. Another guy a like is Rashad Baker, another guy that is always around the ball.
drnykterstein Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Wow that 2003 draft was kickass! I thought I read Donahue sucks 502480[/snapback] Naw he just can't judge O-line or D-line talent.
stevestojan Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 But what about HITS? That's the single most important stat according to ESPN and Joe Theisman.
34-78-83 Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Good Post, but why did it take this coaching staff 3 years to discover this guy? He made more plays yesterday than Jeff Posey did in 2 or 3 years with this team. Another guy a like is Rashad Baker, another guy that is always around the ball. 502751[/snapback] It's really very simple. It's because guys like that aren't always good right away. Especially guys drafted in the mid rounds and late rounds. They are constantly learning technique things in practice with their position coaches, learning how to interpret game film, developing their strength and conditioning, and watching and learning from the players ahead of them on the depth chart. Crowell was very average to below average as a player for atleast his first season and possibly his second as I saw it. Boy has he stepped it up!
colin Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 It's really very simple. It's because guys like that aren't always good right away. Especially guys drafted in the mid rounds and late rounds. They are constantly learning technique things in practice with their position coaches, learning how to interpret game film, developing their strength and conditioning, and watching and learning from the players ahead of them on the depth chart. Crowell was very average to below average as a player for atleast his first season and possibly his second as I saw it. Boy has he stepped it up! 502790[/snapback] playing with TKO, lodon, posey and so on is a big plus to a guy like crowell he came in with raw tools and learned the game as well as the confidence and high expectations of himself to perform. i think moulds has rubbed that off on evans and all of our secondary feel that way.
Pass the Pipe Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 It's really very simple. 502790[/snapback] I disagree to some extent. There is no education like playing. Case in point, this years Sports Illustrated NFL preview edition contained an opposing scouts take on each team. For the Bills, the scout's take was "If Jason Peters ever makes it to the starting line-up they will have a hard time taking him out." How in the hell did this guy know before our own coaching staff? I feel it might be a situation where the front office still distrusts young players or some political jockeying, which is not case at some winning programs in this league.
34-78-83 Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 I disagree to some extent. There is no education like playing. Case in point, this years Sports Illustrated NFL preview edition contained an opposing scouts take on each team. For the Bills, the scout's take was "If Jason Peters ever makes it to the starting line-up they will have a hard time taking him out." How in the hell did this guy know before our own coaching staff? I feel it might be a situation where the front office still distrusts young players or some political jockeying, which is not case at some winning programs in this league. 502836[/snapback] You appear to (I admit I could be way off-base here) have a pre-determined "Axe to grind" with this staff so I'm not sure I can realistically get the point across but I'll still tell you that it's a very common occurence throughout the league to have to develop some of your players. Again, I have watched Crowell closely and in year 1 he absolutely sucked. And regrading the Peters reference, the "if Jason Peters ever makes it to the starting lineup" part was likely reference to him learning how to play the position, something he did not have going for him until very recently.
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