On 1st and 10, 2 minute warning - KNEEL!

[Fezmid]

With 40 seconds between plays kneeling down all four downs would NOT run out the clock. The clock would stop after the Bills didn't converted 4th and 10 after a kneel down. The Bills did the right thing by running the ball. Mcgahhe never fumbles.

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40 seconds * 3 plays = 120 seconds.

 

2 minutes = 60 seconds * 2 = 120 seconds.

 

CW

[BuffOrange]

That was inexplicable. Were they trying to lose the game, get Willis injured, or both?

[Wraith]

That was fixed at the start of the 4th.  And if CBS knew KC didn't have any timeouts, I think the BIlls did too.

CW

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No it wasn't, I was at the game and the scoreboards were black until the bills last posession when they took a knee a few times.

[trolls_r_us]

that was an AWFUL decision

 

luckily it didn;t cost us today but can you even IMAGINE if the Chiefs scored a TD and recovered the onsides kick?

 

stranger things have happened, ESPECIALLY since the Bilsl players had decided they had the game won

 

the game ends when the clock says 0:00, not a SECOND before

 

as Bills fans, we have all seen enough "miracles" to know that

[cåblelady]

Is it possible there was a real problem with the clocks/scoreboard that meant the Bills might not realise/remember KC didn't have any time outs?

 

Anyone at the game notice any problems ith the staium clocks?

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Yeah. There was a definate problem for quite a length of time. The only thing working was the jumbotron and the 40-second clock. Luckily we had the game clocks working on the sides of the stadium and the announcers did a pretty good job of telling us what down it was. As to how many TO's were left........no clue. Some people in my section couldn't even remember what the score was. *LOL*

[VRWC]

MM / TC should be called to the mat by the press and fans for this ridiculous play calling with two minutes left and no KC timeouts. They where not trying for a first down anyway so just kneel. Did they really think WM would break lose for a first down with a tight running formation like that? Plus I have WM on my fantasy team and when he fumbled I blew a fregen gasket, he cost me 5 points and ended the game with just 2 points. Thank God I picked up Gato from Green Bay and he got me 32 points.

 

Also, nice call on 4th and a foot. That play was stupid and poorly executed to boot. It shows that MM and staff have no confidence in the line or WM to get a foot. Not that I blame them for that since they most likely would have failed that test also.

[plenzmd1]

MM / TC should be called to the mat by the press and fans for this ridiculous play calling with two minutes left and no KC timeouts. 

Also, nice call on 4th and a foot.  That play was stupid and poorly executed to boot.  It shows that MM and staff have no confidence in the line or WM to get a foot.  Not that I blame them for that since they most likely would have failed that test also.

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I agree, but after reading the the stuff so far, not one mention of it. This from the D&C

Coaching — Mike Mularkey and his staff made it harder than it had to be by starting Williams, but woke up in time to make the right adjustments. Allowing Losman to attack a weak Chiefs secondary deep was a nice move after over-thinking matters with their play calling early on. A nice job by defensive coordinator Jerry Gray, who limited his blitzing, put more men in coverage, and came up with three INTs. The Bills are now 11-6 after byes. B

 

 

Why do I even bother reading this stuff anymore

[Fezmid]

It seems to me that the play clock,but not the game clock started on first and ten with two minutes to play.

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I guess we can't fault MM too much if half the posters here aren't getting it either

 

Yes, the game clock stopped for the two minute warning. Here's the turn of events that SHOULD have happened:

 

1st and 10, 2 minutes left (clock stopped): Kneel the ball

2nd and 11, 1 minute, 20 seconds left (clock running): Kneel the ball

3rd and 12, 40 seconds left (clock running): Kneel the ball

4th and 13, game over.

 

CW

[Kelly the Dog]

I guess we can't fault MM too much if half the posters here aren't getting it either

 

Yes, the game clock stopped for the two minute warning.  Here's the turn of events that SHOULD have happened:

 

1st and 10, 2 minutes left (clock stopped): Kneel the ball

2nd and 11, 1 minute, 20 seconds left (clock running): Kneel the ball

3rd and 12, 40 seconds left (clock running): Kneel the ball

4th and 13, game over.

 

CW

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You're right. They should have knelt at first and ten. But you're assuming that the penalties wouldn't have happened. That is possible but you're not sure of that. The fight had been bubbling up for 3 quarters. The fact is, the penalties stopped the clock, they couldnt have knelt and run the game out.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

You're right. They should have knelt at first and ten. But you're assuming that the penalties wouldn't have happened. That is possible but you're not sure of that. The fight had been bubbling up for 3 quarters. The fact is, the penalties stopped the clock, they couldnt have knelt and run the game out.

I've rarely seen a penalty on a kneel-down. The Chefs probably took exception to the Bills running the ball instead of kneeling. And even with the penalties, likely it's one-sided and the Bills get a fresh set of downs.

[Kelly the Dog]

I've rarely seen a penalty on a kneel-down.  The Chefs probably took exception to the Bills running the ball instead of kneeling.  And even with the penalties, likely it's one-sided and the Bills get a fresh set of downs.

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You rarely see a fight when the game is basically over, too. But sometimes you do. I'm sure you saw the (legal but nasty) hit that Fletcher made on Trent Green and the jawing that was going on, and the Clements scuffle. The Cheifs were extremely frustrated and looking for a small skirmish. Villarial took exception and took on two guys. He was going to get a penalty. And again, I think they should have kneeled on 1st and 10.

[Fezmid]

You rarely see a fight when the game is basically over, too.

Actually, that's usually when you DO see scirmishes...

 

Did you watch the Steelers/Browns game last night? Same thing.

 

There's also another thread that says the Chiefs were pissed at WM for celebrating when he got the first down. On the next play (2 minute warning), they wanted a peice of him. No handoff, no wanting a peice of him, no fight, game over.

 

CW

[Kelly the Dog]

Actually, that's usually when you DO see scirmishes...

 

Did you watch the Steelers/Browns game last night?  Same thing.

 

There's also another thread that says the Chiefs were pissed at WM for celebrating when he got the first down.  On the next play (2 minute warning), they wanted a peice of him.  No handoff, no wanting a peice of him, no fight, game over.

 

CW

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Well that just shows that the Chiefs were going to fight no matter what. Being pissed for celebrating a first down when the game clearly WASNT over. They got the ball with 3:32 on the clock. They HAD to go for a first down.

[Matt in KC]

I've rarely seen a penalty on a kneel-down.  The Chefs probably took exception to the Bills running the ball instead of kneeling.  And even with the penalties, likely it's one-sided and the Bills get a fresh set of downs.

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I agree there's rarely a penalty on kneel-downs, and if there is, it is against the defense (the ref's know the D would love to stop the clock).

 

What caused this scuffle was that there was was a defender on top of McGahee at the end of the run repeatedly pushing his head into the ground after the play. Bennie Anderson saw this and lunged at the guy, and pushed him off. As a few Chiefs went to grab him, CV saw what was happening and stormed in to support his teammate.

 

As a long-time hockey fan, I went from thinking Bennie was undisciplined as usual to appreciating his support (and CV's) of his teammate. Tell me you wouldn't want one of our linemen to go after a defender blatently pummmeling McGahee when the game outcome was (nearly) certain.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

I agree there's rarely a penalty on kneel-downs, and if there is, it is against the defense (the ref's know the D would love to stop the clock).

 

What caused this scuffle was that there was was a defender on top of McGahee at the end of the run repeatedly pushing his head into the ground after the play.  Bennie Anderson saw this and lunged at the guy, and pushed him off.  As a few Chiefs went to grab him, CV saw what was happening and stormed in to support his teammate. 

 

As a long-time hockey fan, I went from thinking Bennie was undisciplined as usual to appreciating his support (and CV's) of his teammate.  Tell me you wouldn't want one of our linemen to go after a defender blatently pummmeling McGahee when the game outcome was (nearly) certain.

Well this certainly supports what was said above about the Chefs not liking Willis celebrating that 1st down. What a meanie that McGahee is!

[MRW]

You're right. They should have knelt at first and ten. But you're assuming that the penalties wouldn't have happened. That is possible but you're not sure of that. The fight had been bubbling up for 3 quarters. The fact is, the penalties stopped the clock, they couldnt have knelt and run the game out.

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Honestly, after the penalties, I don't know why they didn't do two kneeldowns anyway. That would've left ~30 seconds on the clock when KC got the ball back deep in their end with no timeouts. I certainly didn't like the odds of trying to run for a first down at that point.