SilverNRed Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Link WASHINGTON - A nearly two-decade effort to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling suffered a severe setback at the hands of moderate House Republicans just as Congress was about to deliver it to President Bush as his top energy priority. GOP leaders scrapped the drilling plan in a search for just enough votes to pass another of Bush's priorities, a $51 billion deficit-reduction program cutting spending on food stamps, Medicaid, child support enforcement and other domestic programs through the rest of the decade. Also axed was another conservative priority, a plan allowing states to lift a moratorium on oil drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific Coasts. Great job, "moderates." Another job.......not well done and basically not done at all. Guess they didn't want to break up Congress' Dimaggio-like streak of getting absolutely nothing done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Link Great job, "moderates." Another job.......not well done and basically not done at all. Guess they didn't want to break up Congress' Dimaggio-like streak of getting absolutely nothing done. 499739[/snapback] The moderates are killing this country...Killing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Figures. The one thing republicans want to do that I agree with, drilling in ANWR, and they aren't going to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 The moderates are killing this country...Killing it. 499787[/snapback] There's still moderates in this country? I thought the radical wings of the parties drove them to extinction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted November 10, 2005 Author Share Posted November 10, 2005 The moderates are killing this country...Killing it. 499787[/snapback] "Moderate" is almost a compliment these days. I don't think the bed-wetters in the Republican party deserve any compliments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 But on the bright side, maybe this will force everyone in this country to stop resorting to oil as our first energy solution and start getting serious about alternative sources (wind, solar, organic, nuclear fission, research into nuclear fusion, etc...). How does that popular TBD analogy go? "Something or other" is like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic? Well, drilling for oil in Alaska is also like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic (the Titanic, in this analogy, representing gas prices). The rising oil demand from India and China ALONE are going to make oil simply unaffordable in the coming years, no matter what we pump out in Alaska. The sooner we unanimously realize that, the better off our American economy and American lifestyles will be in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Oil drilling in countries with no environmental/human rights rules and then transporting it across the most delicate ecosystem on the planet = Good Oil drilling in the country with the most stringent environmental rules in the most desolate place on the planet = Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 ANWAR drilling is the admins highest energy priority???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Is there some kind of guarantee that any oil gotten from ANWR will have to be used in the U.S.? If not, it's not a solution to our impending energy crisis; it simply gives companies the right to drill there and then sell it to Japan, etc. like we do now. I can see the points both sides make. I lean more toward the side where any production we will see isn't going to be for 10+ years. If alternative energies aren't fairly widely commercially available by then, then we really are pitiful and we'll deserve whatever happens (b/c much of the holdup will have been backroom politics). AD, it's desolate b/c it's supposed to be desolate. That's what a (p)reserve is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Is there some kind of guarantee that any oil gotten from ANWR will have to be used in the U.S.? If not, it's not a solution to our impending energy crisis; it simply gives companies the right to drill there and then sell it to Japan, etc. like we do now. I can see the points both sides make. I lean more toward the side where any production we will see isn't going to be for 10+ years. If alternative energies aren't fairly widely commercially available by then, then we really are pitiful and we'll deserve whatever happens (b/c much of the holdup will have been backroom politics). AD, it's desolate b/c it's supposed to be desolate. That's what a (p)reserve is. 500018[/snapback] Let me know when you've been there or actually have a clue what you're talking about. Drilling in ANWR isn't just about oil. It's also about countless trillions of tons of natural gas. The "pristine" garbage is just that. ANWR is lifeless 10 months of the year. There are a ton of rules in place to protect the environment (including no building of roads until the temperature reaches -20 F. The caribou herd in Prudhoe has thrived ever since they began drilling, a fact the greenies always gloss over. ANWR is the size of South Carolina. The drilling base would be about the size of an average US airport. I'd be a hell of alot more pissed off about Elk Hills, but for some reason the media doesn't talk too much about that - probably because the Democrats got it opened up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There are a ton of rules in place to protect the environment (including no building of roads until the temperature reaches -20 F. 500025[/snapback] Just curious...but is that "no building roads" until it's warmer than -20F, or colder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There's still moderates in this country? I thought the radical wings of the parties drove them to extinction... 499802[/snapback] No, bet selling that concept does sell papers, doesnt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Just curious...but is that "no building roads" until it's warmer than -20F, or colder? 500091[/snapback] -20F or colder. The roads are made of ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There's still moderates in this country? I thought the radical wings of the parties drove them to extinction... 499802[/snapback] Yes. The merely conservative are now called moderates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Yes. The merely conservative are now called moderates. 500308[/snapback] Not from where I stand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 So basically we went through all that sh--, stress, arguiing, contemplating and everything else with ANWR and it wound up going nowhere. I [heart] the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 There's still moderates in this country? I thought the radical wings of the parties drove them to extinction... 499802[/snapback] Nope. People are still pretty much as moderate as ever. Its the parties that are making them radical that are driving the idea to extinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 So basically we went through all that sh--, stress, arguiing, contemplating and everything else with ANWR and it wound up going nowhere. I [heart] the government. 502268[/snapback] You sound suprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 So basically we went through all that sh--, stress, arguiing, contemplating and everything else with ANWR and it wound up going nowhere. I [heart] the government. 502268[/snapback] Good. Drilling the ANWR to shave a few dimes off the price of gas short-term is stupid. Storing the oil for when we really need it...say, when oil actually becomes difficult to get, not just a little pricey...is a better idea. And where better to store it than in the ground, undrilled? Tapping ANWR is premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Good. Drilling the ANWR to shave a few dimes off the price of gas short-term is stupid. Storing the oil for when we really need it...say, when oil actually becomes difficult to get, not just a little pricey...is a better idea. And where better to store it than in the ground, undrilled? Tapping ANWR is premature. 502288[/snapback] Hmm, a plan that makes sense. Lets take a look at the Democratic and Republican responses to this plan: Democartic: But... but... if we save it for later then we're just going to hurt the Environment more when we finally drill. Republican: But now we can drill it and make those damn oil prices go down. I'll be damned if the price of my cookies goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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