Talonz Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 I saw an interesting note yesterday in the MNF game....They showed thedraft positions of the starting OL for the Atlanta Falcons.... 2 were 7th rounders, 2 were 5th rounders and 1 was a UDFA.... Is there anything more telling than that.....Looks like either our OL players are lazy and uncomitted or being badly coached..... 485890[/snapback] Is their line that good though? Vick is so damn fast that he alone can create tons of yards on the ground + avoid sacks..
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Bad coaching? They haven't changed coaches, yet Brees seems to be OK. What, exactly, did you see that led you to believe that Brees suffered from bad coaching? 485894[/snapback] I recall a lot of conjecture that Marty had lost it at that point. I'd have to scour some articles. The point was that Brees magically became a better QB 3-4 years into his career. There is some context there. People here don't have that kind of patience.
Talonz Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 I recall a lot of conjecture that Marty had lost it at that point. I'd have to scour some articles. 485906[/snapback] At least he had it at one point The verdict is still out on the Bills current staff. Their stock is starting to drop though ....
PIZ Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Entire O-line---not a line of stop-gaps 2 new DT's----cut Sam Big receiver----release Moulds SS---cut Milloy resign McGee to extension and resign Clements new GM---someone like new coaches 2 pass rushing OLBs---unless Takeo fully comes back, but Posey needs replaced. DE that can rush and stop the rush a healthy Kevin Everett a healthy Roscoe Parrish start Baker at FS---Vincent has lost a step The Bills need to develop a "team." Right now they have "players", but no team.
plenzmd1 Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 If I'm Mularkey, and am I glad I'm not, assuming we don't win at NE, I put in not only Losman at QB but Preston and Peters on the line as starters. Get 'em the reps. They will make mistakes, huge mistakes, but we need to see if these guys are the future. Then we at least know what we DON'T have to address in the offseason. Don't think it will happen because for some reason they are pretty enamored of Gandy and Anderson, even though Bennie esp has sucked hard. I also think a glaring need is for Mike Williams to get himself 100% committed to strength and conditioning in the offseason so he doesn't get the nagging injuries. Obviously, having someone roll over your ankle never helps, but maybe if he was just a little healthier these things would heal faster or be less prone to happen. Other needs: I agree with VA, something needs to be shaken up with the playcalling/coaching, esp on offense, and maybe Jerry Gray needs to move on. Things can obviously change this season, but I would recommend Wyche for OC (if he wants it), and bring in a tough DC who preaches discipline and will put these guys through the wringer. I hope Spikes can return to form, all I can say. A quality gap-plugging DT would be great. I've said before, if releasing Moulds doesn't hurt us financially, pick up an eager veteran WR with some skills left a la McCardell who won't cost a ton but will be more mission- than self-driven. 485875[/snapback] Spot on brother. Only thing a disagree with is the coaching. I know I am in the minority here, but I think you need to give these guys a chance. Crimminy, last year we were all enamored with the coaches, especially Grey. Christ, even after the first game this year we were all conjecturing who would be the new DC as Grey was certain to get a HC position due to his brillance as a DC. "Its the players stupid" I keep saying to myself. Worked for Clinton, why not the Bills
Hirly5 Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Bad coaching? They haven't changed coaches, yet Brees seems to be OK. What, exactly, did you see that led you to believe that Brees suffered from bad coaching? 485894[/snapback] I dont think it was coaching. I think it was Antonio Gates that improved Brees.
R. Rich Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 I'd clean house. GM, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator, 5 new OL, DT, DE, 2 or 3 LB's, 2 Safety's, CB, TE, WR, permanent switch to the throwback uniforms. 485884[/snapback] If the ownership doesn't want to break what little bank they have to do this, nothing will change. It seems to me that Wilson brings in people who are in line w/ his way of doing things. When they don't mesh w/ his way (Polian), they're gone.
Mile High Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Oline Proven tight end who can stretch the field. 2 Dt's Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline A new GM. Give Modrak a shot. Hey Donahoe if you read this website fix the problem you jackoff. Oh wiat patch work with Mc Nally they'll be fine.
R. Rich Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Oline Proven tight end who can stretch the field. 2 Dt's Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline A new GM. Give Modrak a shot. Hey Donahoe if you read this website fix the problem you jackoff. Oh wiat patch work with Mc Nally they'll be fine. 485928[/snapback] See my above post.
Mile High Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 If the ownership doesn't want to break what little bank they have to do this, nothing will change. It seems to me that Wilson brings in people who are in line w/ his way of doing things. When they don't mesh w/ his way (Polian), they're gone. 485927[/snapback] I hope Polian wins a superbowl this year. I'm rooting for him.
R. Rich Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 I'm rooting harder for the Bills, but I'm also pretty sure that Indy is closer to that goal right now than Buffalo is.
34-78-83 Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Ok, so if JP sucks the rest of the year and shows little or no progress ( see the first 4 games of his career), we should stick with him for another year? I hope not... JP has looked BAD..I mean REALLY BAD.. Phillip Rivers - Hey, just a name to float out there...Hasn't proven a thing other than being picked above JP ..And being rated much higher than JP by most draft "gurus"... 485883[/snapback] It's that sort of thinking that could keep us wallowing in mediocrity for eternity. 1- Draft quarterback 2- Determine after @ 11 games that he is no good 3- Cut or trade said player, eat the cap and draft picks you spent on him. 4- wash and repeat.
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 It's that sort of thinking that could keep us wallowing in mediocrity for eternity. 1- Draft quarterback 2- Determine after @ 11 games that he is no good 3- Cut or trade said player, eat the cap and draft picks you spent on him. 4- wash and repeat. 485951[/snapback] But do you realize how awesome and hopeful you'd feel at the start of every cycle? [/sarcasm] Keep thinking it's the QB that's the problem, guys! (good post)
DeeRay Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 In this order... 1) GM 2) experienced head coach 3) scouting staff 4) strength/conditioning coach
Mark VI Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 A Vet FA WR - To replace Moulds and his 10.8 mil cap hit OL - Williams at RT - Can toss the rest over the Peace Bridge ( irony ). 4 new OL DT -2 more MLB OLB Safeties -combined age of our 2 starters is nearing 70 yada,yada,yada....
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 OL - Williams at RT - Can toss the rest over the Peace Bridge ( irony ).485969[/snapback] If for some reason we can't lift them, we could always send a few D-linemen their way so they'll back right off.
Talonz Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 But do you realize how awesome and hopeful you'd feel at the start of every cycle?[/sarcasm] Keep thinking it's the QB that's the problem, guys! (good post) 485962[/snapback] In the Bills current situation, how long do you give JP to prove himself?
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 In the Bills current situation, how long do you give JP to prove himself? 485972[/snapback] Remember how people were saying after those first two weeks, "well, if JP didn't suck so bad and the defense wasn't on the field all game blah blah blah..." Well, the D didn't have old JP to kick around last weekend, so what was the excuse? Every game they've lost, the Bills have lost as a team. To answer your current situation, in the current situation, I don't give him that long before this line gets him killed, and the defense doesn't give him much of a shot to win -- partly due to injuries, partly to age, partly to lack of discipline. They are not the dominating D for whom he just needs to be an offensive caretaker -- that's OK, doesn't play to Losman's gunslinging strengths anyway. But I think he deserves a shot. Truthfully, as long as I sense an effort from the front office to give him the tools to succeed (and to be fair, Kevin Everett might have been part of that this year), I'd say give Losman two years with the expectation of some serious progress, possibly playoffs if we get a favorable schedule next year.
Mark VI Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 In the Bills current situation, how long do you give JP to prove himself? 485972[/snapback] 4 games. Where's the bus ?
stuckincincy Posted October 25, 2005 Posted October 25, 2005 Phillip Rivers - Hey, just a name to float out there...Hasn't proven a thing other than being picked above JP ..And being rated much higher than JP by most draft "gurus"... 485883[/snapback] Still unanswered is the question of Rivers' more or less side-arm delivery and how well it would work in the NFL, and if not well, if it could be modified. Dunno...
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