Grant Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Wait, but isn't it John Butler's fault, and Kevin Gilbride's, Gregg Williams's? That's what Donahoe told me.
DeeRay Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 He put this mess together. Isn't that enough? PTR Who makes the personel decisions on draft day? Who makes decisions on talent? Who decides which players come and which players go? Who decides who is worth fitting under the cap and who isn't? A GM is the one who puts the players on the field that will either make or brake a team each and every year. A GM is the number 1 individual responsible for building a team and he's had 5 years to get us at least 1 playoff game. Is he the only one? No, but right now if you had to name someone who is most responsible he's No 1. Does that answer your question? Should we never fire coaches and GM's? How many years do we give him? (Any reply that contains the expression 'salary cap hell' will be disregarded.) Thanks guys, I needed that. Finally, some of you have come to your senses, stopped drinking the koolaid, and are repeating exactly what I've been espousing quite frequently over the past two plus seasons. I love you guys.
NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 I am held accountable on my job. Why not TD? If the Bils were a Fortune 500 company, what do you think the stock would be worth right now? It has been going down for 5+ years, and if I were a shareholder, I'd start to question the management right about now....
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore.
JohnnyBravo Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] Agreed on the line. Without an OL, average teams look real real bad. And good teams look average. Of course teams with a good OL make an average QB look good. So which would you prefer?
oregonbbfan Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Dude... I hate to be the one to tell you this, but he traded up to get impact players Ryan Denney and JP Losman. He also brought Bledsoe in here for the bargain rate of a 1st round pick. 483831[/snapback] Dude, Denney was a 2nd rounder, I'm talking 1st round #10 or under. As I said, IMPACT player. That was a ploy to upstage Pitt. Losman was hurting the next years draft. I would have done it with 4-7 in that years draft. Then we would have had a first this year to go up and get another need. Also, I think Losman will work out with a little pressure from the town off him. He was proclaimed starter in Feb. I can imagine the pressure. I still think he will be OK.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Dude, Denney was a 2nd rounder, I'm talking 1st round #10 or under. As I said, IMPACT player. That was a ploy to upstage Pitt. Losman was hurting the next years draft. I would have done it with 4-7 in that years draft. Then we would have had a first this year to go up and get another need. Also, I think Losman will work out with a little pressure from the town off him. He was proclaimed starter in Feb. I can imagine the pressure. I still think he will be OK. 483976[/snapback] You mean like Mike Williams? And the guy he really wanted in that draft was Harrington - no joke.
Nanker Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 dudes... you're crusading again. Mr. Donahoe is laizez faire. 483726[/snapback] DonnaHo's a lazy fairy?
splinter21 Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 I think the real problem at hand with donahoe is the fact that he likes to pick coaches and staffs who are willing to entrust him with their testicles, and thus renders them dumbfounded in the game of football.
oregonbbfan Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 You mean like Mike Williams? And the guy he really wanted in that draft was Harrington - no joke. 483981[/snapback] Maybe we should look at our scouts. Looks like the DB and CB scouts are doing their jobs. I'm not impressed with line ( both ) scouts. Did many/any of our scouts go with AJ Smith? Did TD bring in his own people? I would look at scouting because we haven't found many gems in late rounds. Chances are better the higher you are but not a sure thing.
PromoTheRobot Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 As bad as I feel about losing, I feel worse thinking that Ralph will probably never see his beloved Bills win the big one, much less make the playoffs, again. PTR
Guest BackInDaDay Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore. 483924[/snapback] Wrong! He's done exactly what he's been told... get the club into a financially solvent position while maintaining the fan base. Like I've been saying, Ralph's mantra has become Tom's mandate, "Winning isn't enough, winning enough is enough".
East Brady Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 As bad as I feel about losing, I feel worse thinking that Ralph will probably never see his beloved Bills win the big one, much less make the playoffs, again. PTR 484110[/snapback] Don't worry Ralph is healthy and will be around another 10 years to watch the losing tradition continue......
tbonehawaii Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] YEP. Its unfortunatethat he only seesm to pay attention to tehgloru positions when good franchises figure it out that teh core of a team is the o-loine everybody's job is easier (even defenses) witha good o-line. its why you could start a blind grandmother and she will do reasonably well behind kc or denver lines for teh past 7 years
AJ1 Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 And soft on both lines, for the most part Guess TD missed that part of GM 101: How to get out of mediocrity Step 1: Build a strong offensive line and defensive line. Guess TD skipped that class. 483731[/snapback] How about those TD credentials: Playing experience HS: none College: none Pro : none Coaching experience HS : none College: none Pro: none The only that qualified him for the Bills GM job was Pittsburgh's sense in getting rid of him and Uncle Ralph's senility in hiring him.
cale Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Someone mentioned scouting being a problem...I'd seem to remember one of TD's first changes was DwighT Adams being shown the door... The guy knew talent - does he work for SD now?
AJ1 Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Someone mentioned scouting being a problem...I'd seem to remember one of TD's first changes was DwighT Adams being shown the door... The guy knew talent - does he work for SD now? 484291[/snapback] I'm sure TD sensed Adams had an indepedent streak and wouldn't roll over and play dead in a scouting dispute with his all-seeing boss. Another early sign of TD egomaniacal nature. SD would be the logical place but I haven't heard.
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Wrong! He's done exactly what he's been told... get the club into a financially solvent position while maintaining the fan base. Like I've been saying, Ralph's mantra has become Tom's mandate, "Winning isn't enough, winning enough is enough". 484207[/snapback] He absolutely has, thus as long as the fans are showing up and the team is financially solvent, then 8-8 is good enough. Which means TD is not leaving anytime soon. He also signed a contract extension. Ralph isn't getting involved with the football side much anymore since TD took over and he keeps feeding Ralph the bs how the plan is in place. As long as Ralph believes the football bs, and he does, TD is going nowhere.
KOKBILLS Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] Well at the very least the entire "On The Field" Operations need to be turned over to someone who knows what the heck he is doing...Cause obviously, for some reason, TD has lost the ability to put together a consistant, winning Roster...It pains me to see the way this Team was constructed...It just kills Me...
Koobie Posted October 24, 2005 Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore. 483924[/snapback] The only way Ralphie will get rid of his boy TD, is when TD's terrible performance as GM starts effecting Ralph's wallet. When the fans stop buying into all the crap we are being sold, and stop filling the seats at Ralph Wilson Stadium, TD will be gone. It's all about Ralph's money.............
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