Campy Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Sorry...critics of the war dont get to use this excuse...because any effort the U.S. makes to "help" the Iraqis will be portrayed as the U.S. turning the new Iraq into a "puppet" of the U.S. 480953[/snapback] Was that really ever in doubt, regardless of your position on the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Was that really ever in doubt, regardless of your position on the war? 481025[/snapback] Ally? Yes. PUPPET? Is Germany a puppet? Japan? Korea? Kuwait? Even Israel can hardly be considered a "puppet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Except when you factor in the other variables into the equation... You know, like the fact that we were the first people ever to have a democracy like ours, whereas Iraq has our help in formulating one.... 480925[/snapback] And that little detail whereby this Constitution is basically a feel-good symbolic moment, and that it's so easy to amend it, they may as well have written it on a napkin. I don't know about anyone else, but it's really sh--ty to keep having all of these Symbolic Moments that mean next to nothing in the concrete world. How about working on something that will last for more than two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiew Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Very different. Are the troops in Germany being attacked some 50 or so times a day? Do most of the Germans want the troops to leave? Did the party that won most of the seats in the German election have as one of it's main policies the establishment of a definite timetable for the withdrawal of US forces? Agreed. Besides the fact that we are still there for "strategic" reasons. Not to protect the German people or its government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Sorry...critics of the war dont get to use this excuse...because any effort the U.S. makes to "help" the Iraqis will be portrayed as the U.S. turning the new Iraq into a "puppet" of the U.S. 480953[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 How about working on something that will last for more than two years? 481050[/snapback] That applies to a LOT that goes on in the government, not just Iraq. When people can approach their jobs with the idea that "In two/four/six years, it's the other guy's problem", there's not a hell of a lot of motivation for long-term planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope zimli Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1831024,00.html 478953[/snapback] okay..they have a constitution that we rammed down their throats. Let's pack up and get the hell out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 DING!- pope, your Hotpockets® are ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 DING!- pope, your Hotpockets® are ready! 482449[/snapback] He is, however, correct. Though I'm sure it was an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope zimli Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 DING!- pope, your Hotpockets® are ready! 482449[/snapback] Oh good...You're not going to try to give me some of your Kool-Aid to drink, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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