jahbonas Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why are all the articles written surround the switching of JP to Holcomb when its not the root problem ??? We have to go to a veteran Holcomb because our offensive coordinator is calling a game that puts the burden on a QB and passblocking line rather than on a big Running back and runblocking line ! Has anyone in the media gotten a clear answer from Clements other than Mularkey partially acknowledging we might want to run more??? That should have been deicded in March & April...not game week !! The rookie qb is not the problem...its the rookie offensive coordinator....TD certainly did not acuire a Bennie Anderson for his pass blocking ability The real difference between Buffalo & Cincinnatti ?? Its not how they handled QB Carson Palmer....its that their owner decided to PAY the head coach a respectable wage...we did not and Marvin Lewis told us to go give our low ball offer to a lesser coach...we did...Greg Williams....and we got exactly what we paid for !! Ralph....please take your self-imposed salary cap off the coaches and GM's.... We won't mention the GM staff thats now in San Diego and are there because you were paying Butler the 3rd lowest salary in the league as GM despite 10 of 11 trips to playoffs prior.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Good Point... but One can understand HC wannabees like Williams and Mularkey jumping at the chance to coach an NFL team and accepting minimum wage. But, there is absolutely no excuse for a guy like Tom Donahoe, who was regarded as one of the top men in football, accepting a job in which he knew his hands would be tied. That's bullschitt. Wilson, over that past 10 years has shown himself willing to pay. Wade Phillips was the highest paid DC when he came to the Bills. And Wilson way overpaid for Henry Jones, John Holocek, Ruben Brown, John Fina, and Rob Johnson... so, based on that, your argument on Wilson has no merit. At the time he accepted the Bills job, Donahoe could have had a half dozen GM jobs. He took this one because he new he had complete autonomy. Wilson even made him el presidente. Donahoe's managed exactly like he did in Pittsburgh.... cheap, journeymen players. The only advantage he had in Pitt was that he was lucky to hit the motherlode in Cowher. Cowher, because he's a damn good coach was able to utilize and maximize the worthless players that Donahoe kept giving him a steady diet of. But, one quality that a good NFL coach has is a giant sized set of balls. And Cowher got sick and tired of Donahoe throwing scraps to him and went toe to toe with him. The Rooneys stepped in... who, by the way, know a thing or two about football, and decided that Cowher was absolutely right. Cowher was awarded with a new and huge contract and Donahoe was shown the door. Donahoe hasn't changed a bit... meanwhile the game has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Good Point... but One can understand HC wannabees like Williams and Mularkey jumping at the chance to coach an NFL team and accepting minimum wage. But, there is absolutely no excuse for a guy like Tom Donahoe, who was regarded as one of the top men in football, accepting a job in which he knew his hands would be tied. That's bullschitt. Wilson, over that past 10 years has shown himself willing to pay. Wade Phillips was the highest paid DC when he came to the Bills. And Wilson way overpaid for Henry Jones, John Holocek, Ruben Brown, John Fina, and Rob Johnson... so, based on that, your argument on Wilson has no merit. At the time he accepted the Bills job, Donahoe could have had a half dozen GM jobs. He took this one because he new he had complete autonomy. Wilson even made him el presidente. Donahoe's managed exactly like he did in Pittsburgh.... cheap, journeymen players. The only advantage he had in Pitt was that he was lucky to hit the motherlode in Cowher. Cowher, because he's a damn good coach was able to utilize and maximize the worthless players that Donahoe kept giving him a steady diet of. But, one quality that a good NFL coach has is a giant sized set of balls. And Cowher got sick and tired of Donahoe throwing scraps to him and went toe to toe with him. The Rooneys stepped in... who, by the way, know a thing or two about football, and decided that Cowher was absolutely right. Cowher was awarded with a new and huge contract and Donahoe was shown the door. Donahoe hasn't changed a bit... meanwhile the game has. 470332[/snapback] youre overrating coaching........coaching does matter but teams that win in all sports have good players coached by good coaches jimmy johnson never won a super bowl without troy emmit and michael........switzer won with the same guys and wade phillips or insert competent name probably would have too look at joe torre who couldnt win anywhere till he went to yankees to manage great players without michael jordan or shaq leading the way phil jackson never won a championship pat riley never won without magic johnson mike holmgren wasnt part of a winner without montana or favre being on the team and shannahan hasnt won without elway they shouldnt overpay for coaching the gm is more important whether donahoe is a good one or not you can argue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 they shouldnt overpay for coaching the gm is more important whether donahoe is a good one or not you can argue coaches salaries don't count against the cap. Plus, the revenues, both shared and unshared that these owners are making is ridiculous... so they can afford to fire a coach and pay their salary. why do you think they won't open their books... because they're embarrassed at how much they're losing? It's okay to pay a coach big bucks... but that coach has to be given most of the control on players. Take Belichick for example. He makes the call on players. He tell Paoli what type of player he' looking for and to just go out and find them. I'm not saying Mularkey should have more control over the players he brings in, because this dude only has on year experience as a HC and I don't have any faith that he can handle that responsibility. However, there's no excuse for a GM to bring in a rookie coach after 3 years of rebuilding. Donahoe should have brought in an experienced head coach and been subservient to him in regards to players. We all know Donahoe is old school though... and old school don't work in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 9, 2005 Author Share Posted October 9, 2005 youre overrating coaching........coaching does matter but teams that win in all sports have good players coached by good coaches jimmy johnson never won a super bowl without troy emmit and michael........switzer won with the same guys and wade phillips or insert competent name probably would have too look at joe torre who couldnt win anywhere till he went to yankees to manage great players without michael jordan or shaq leading the way phil jackson never won a championship pat riley never won without magic johnson mike holmgren wasnt part of a winner without montana or favre being on the team and shannahan hasnt won without elway they shouldnt overpay for coaching the gm is more important whether donahoe is a good one or not you can argue 470336[/snapback] Coahing is NOTTTTT over rated in todays NFL...in fact it is crcuial since the salary cap has insured fair distribution of talented players. The Patriots have won 3 Superbowls based on 1 thing...COACHING !!!!!!! We lost 4 superbowls based on 1 thing COACHING!! Marv Levy and his coordinators rode Secretariat and came in 2nd losing to Parcells ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 coaches salaries don't count against the cap. Plus, the revenues, both shared and unshared that these owners are making is ridiculous... so they can afford to fire a coach and pay their salary. why do you think they won't open their books... because they're embarrassed at how much they're losing? It's okay to pay a coach big bucks... but that coach has to be given most of the control on players. Take Belichick for example. He makes the call on players. He tell Paoli what type of player he' looking for and to just go out and find them. I'm not saying Mularkey should have more control over the players he brings in, because this dude only has on year experience as a HC and I don't have any faith that he can handle that responsibility. However, there's no excuse for a GM to bring in a rookie coach after 3 years of rebuilding. Donahoe should have brought in an experienced head coach and been subservient to him in regards to players. We all know Donahoe is old school though... and old school don't work in today's NFL. 470339[/snapback] Paoli deserves more credit than he gets for finding the guys, sure belichick can evaluate them, especially when he gets them on the field, just like he evaluated the Browns he coached......... you may have a point about wannabees jumping at the chance to be a head coach cause any competent one like a coughlin or a jimmy johnson with aikman, would let that well thought of rookie qb play the game without jerking him for a 9 year journyeman to win a couple extra games................maybe mularkey's panicking that he wont be get another shot without building his resume with a few w's............ I wonder what paoli thinks about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Coahing is NOTTTTT over rated in todays NFL...in fact it is crcuial since the salary cap has insured fair distribution of talented players.The Patriots have won 3 Superbowls based on 1 thing...COACHING !!!!!!! We lost 4 superbowls based on 1 thing COACHING!! Marv Levy and his coordinators rode Secretariat and came in 2nd losing to Parcells ! 470342[/snapback] without secretariat the chiefs went nowhere gm will manage your cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 without secretariat the chiefs went nowhere gm will manage your cap 470346[/snapback] by the way i didnt say coaching didnt matter, and marv was a good one, you dont think jimmy johnson or bill parcells joe gibbs, holmgren, shannahan, or other coach that did win wouldnt win with the talent the bills had in the 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 by the way i didnt say coaching didnt matter, and marv was a good one, you dont think jimmy johnson or bill parcells joe gibbs, holmgren, shannahan, or other coach that did win wouldnt win the talent the bills had in the 90's 470348[/snapback] in fairness to marv, parcells belichick or even the great vince lombardi cant kick a 47 yard field goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why are all the articles written surround the switching of JP to Holcomb when its not the root problem ???We have to go to a veteran Holcomb because our offensive coordinator is calling a game that puts the burden on a QB and passblocking line rather than on a big Running back and runblocking line ! Has anyone in the media gotten a clear answer from Clements other than Mularkey partially acknowledging we might want to run more??? That should have been deicded in March & April...not game week !! The rookie qb is not the problem...its the rookie offensive coordinator....TD certainly did not acuire a Bennie Anderson for his pass blocking ability The real difference between Buffalo & Cincinnatti ?? Its not how they handled QB Carson Palmer....its that their owner decided to PAY the head coach a respectable wage...we did not and Marvin Lewis told us to go give our low ball offer to a lesser coach...we did...Greg Williams....and we got exactly what we paid for !! Ralph....please take your self-imposed salary cap off the coaches and GM's.... We won't mention the GM staff thats now in San Diego and are there because you were paying Butler the 3rd lowest salary in the league as GM despite 10 of 11 trips to playoffs prior.... 470308[/snapback] Ah, another Ralph is cheap post. If you think that the coaches are underpaid, prove it. What is this some unproven rumor? Do you think TD is underpaid? If you are going to complain about the OC, remember Clements wasn't the first choice. So blame MM and TD for picking him. The change in QB's isn't really that unpredicatable. What is the purpose of TD and MM? To win!! And my particular take is always, winning puts fans in the standium, which secures the GM's job. So they don't think JP starting is giving them the best chance to win. Well, probably more than 80% of the fans don't think so either at this point. They were shooting craps when they made JP the starter in came up with snake-eyes. Maybe in time he will be ok, but not now. So the my last word on Ralph is this. He's old, he doesn't have much time left. I am sure he would spend the money to get him his championship. But as the NY Rangers have proven over the last 5 years. It is one thing to spend money,it's another thing to spend it wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Ralph Wilson entrusted this "franchise" to someone he felt he could trust. It isn't Ralph Wilson to blame for this display of........ It really boils down to ONE person. That person is the President and General Manager. Everyone says that he is not the personnal guy, he is not a coach, he is not a player. In reality, TD micromanages to an unbelievable level. He was run out of Pittsburgh because he tried to mold the Steelers in a way that was not to their historical tradition. Now look at Pittsgurgh. They have been in the playoffs almost ever since TD left. They have a Head Coach, they keep developing OCs into head coaches, the next guy to be a head coach is Russ Grimm, their O-Line coach. The Steelers and Bill Cower recognize that a successful franchise is one that WINS, not one that lies to fans in order to fill seats. Let's take a look at TD's track record in Buffalo: two Rookie Head Coaches four rookie coordinators (both Offense and Defensive) four o-line coaches we are starting our 5th QB (Johnson, Van Pelt, Bledsoe, Losman, Holcolmb) no real consistent/congruent/healthy o-linemen no healthy TEs loosing entire LB depth after this season (Crowell, Haggan, Stamer) loosing 2 DTs after this season (Edwards and Bannon) loosing 3 of 5 CBs after 2005 (Clements, McGee, Greer)and 1 Free Safety (Rashad Baker) Gandy and Bennie Anderson gone in 2006 Jason Peters and Trey Teague gone after 2005 Loosing 5 defensive starters after 2006 (Kelsay, Adams, Fletcher, Posey, Milloy) There are a ton of holes to be filled. It looks as bad as when he got here or may be even a little worse. It's no wonder why the "veterans" wanted Losman out. They don't have the time to develop anyone. They are getting old, as can e seen by the way the D is playing. And their time is coming to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Ralph Wilson entrusted this "franchise" to someone he felt he could trust. It isn't Ralph Wilson to blame for this display of........ It really boils down to ONE person. That person is the President and General Manager. Everyone says that he is not the personnal guy, he is not a coach, he is not a player. In reality, TD micromanages to an unbelievable level. He was run out of Pittsburgh because he tried to mold the Steelers in a way that was not to their historical tradition. Now look at Pittsgurgh. They have been in the playoffs almost ever since TD left. They have a Head Coach, they keep developing OCs into head coaches, the next guy to be a head coach is Russ Grimm, their O-Line coach. The Steelers and Bill Cower recognize that a successful franchise is one that WINS, not one that lies to fans in order to fill seats. Let's take a look at TD's track record in Buffalo: two Rookie Head Coaches four rookie coordinators (both Offense and Defensive) four o-line coaches we are starting our 5th QB (Johnson, Van Pelt, Bledsoe, Losman, Holcolmb) no real consistent/congruent/healthy o-linemen no healthy TEs loosing entire LB depth after this season (Crowell, Haggan, Stamer) loosing 2 DTs after this season (Edwards and Bannon) loosing 3 of 5 CBs after 2005 (Clements, McGee, Greer)and 1 Free Safety (Rashad Baker) Gandy and Bennie Anderson gone in 2006 Jason Peters and Trey Teague gone after 2005 Loosing 5 defensive starters after 2006 (Kelsay, Adams, Fletcher, Posey, Milloy) There are a ton of holes to be filled. It looks as bad as when he got here or may be even a little worse. It's no wonder why the "veterans" wanted Losman out. They don't have the time to develop anyone. They are getting old, as can e seen by the way the D is playing. And their time is coming to an end. Excellent!!! Halleujah, thank you Jesus. Another convert into the fold of the non-believers and fans who choose no longer to sup from the cup of Donahoe Koolaid. I've been saying this for 2.5 years. The Teflon man is not the savior... he is a total fraud... a false prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Its' Murlakey's Offensive. Matter of time when he will call the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Its' Murlakey's Offensive. Matter of time when he will call the plays. 470415[/snapback] I believe that in itself s most of the problem: COMMUNICATIONS. It is obvious when the camera pans to Mularkey's face after a stupid play, he has the "What kind of play calling was that???" Clements maybe HAVE BEEN a good QB in the CFL, but now he is supposed to be a coach in the NFL. Clements doesn't act like it and he doesn't accept any responsibility for his poor planning. Mularkey is accepting all the blame, when in reality, it is one of the Good ol' Pittsburgh Boys club that is screwing up. I see this as a Donahoe/Clements offense and both are screwing up pretty bad. Frankly, Mularkey has his hands full learning how to be a Head Coach, I just hope Sam Wyche steps in as OC pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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