Live&DieBillsFootball Posted October 5, 2005 Posted October 5, 2005 But the whacky left hold the Word of God and thier view of government so sacred that they demand such a sparation of Church and state. 465681[/snapback] You might want to take that up with that "whacky" group that wrote the US Constitution.
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted October 5, 2005 Posted October 5, 2005 Can the Debster possibly add any more garbage to her hate line, I mean to her sig line? 465681[/snapback] "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." — Edward R. Murrow "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, right or wrong, is not only un-patriotic, but it is morally treasonable to the American people." - President Theodore Roosevelt Yeah...that's some real garbage.
RkFast Posted October 5, 2005 Posted October 5, 2005 You might want to take that up with that "whacky" group that wrote the US Constitution. 465944[/snapback] Thats bull sh--. The FFs did not intend for the Seperation of Church and State to taken to the extreme degree it is today. The so-called "wacky left" doesnt just want to ensure that a "Federal Religion" isnt established, a fair interpretation of the establishment clause. It wants the complete and total removal of religion from the public square and pushed behind closed doors. Quite a big swing there. There is a big difference between Bush coming out and saying "Christianity if the new Federal Religion" and a bloke working at the County Department of Consumer Affairs being reprimanded for having his desk decorated with a Christmas Tree. The so-called "wacky left" treats both situations equally.
blzrul Posted October 5, 2005 Author Posted October 5, 2005 blz, feelings aside, that fellow certainly exhibits courage of conviction in a time when many in the public eye not only equivocate but have PR staffs to fine-tune it. While you may disagree with him, please appreciate his frankness. Hope you and yours are still liking the Seattle area. Beautiful vistas. stuck. 465283[/snapback] No problem with someone who has convictions and is willing to fight for them. Just think it's going to be a silly 3-ring circus as, instead of seeing who can kiss the most babies, the candidates instead vie to prove that they are indeed true lovers of Jesus....
buckeyemike Posted October 7, 2005 Posted October 7, 2005 No problem with someone who has convictions and is willing to fight for them. Just think it's going to be a silly 3-ring circus as, instead of seeing who can kiss the most babies, the candidates instead vie to prove that they are indeed true lovers of Jesus.... 466002[/snapback] Hmmm...as a Christian and someone who apparently is vastly differing in his belief system from you, I must totally agree. This is truly interesting. I read somewhere from a prominent critic of religion in politics that the whole Ten Commandments thing escalated from a tempest in a teapot to a full blown moneymaking scam for fundamentalist Christians, through fundraising letters decrying the ACLU (which has its purpose, but it is NOT to expel religion and religious people from the public forum), and telling everyone that if they don't donate to the Cause, then they don't love God. The problem is, the Ten Commandments are much more effective when written on men's hearts. To require a monument (to me) smacks of religious legalism. You don't think Roy Moore realized that he could ride the Bible from a county judgeship to the Chief Justice position in Alabama, did you? IMO, he is taking advantage of the fear of Christians that the world is going to hell...uh, it DOES say in Scripture that the world would hate those who follow Christ (see John 15:18-19). There is a great heresy at work here, equating political power with righteousness. A truly Godly person realizes where their real treasure is. Sure they are concerned for their fellow man, but rather than seek power, the Godly person tries to make the world a bit better than they found it, through their actions and activities. Billy Graham and his son Franklin have practically mastered this. I prefer to vote for those not totally based on religious belief, but on fundamental principles and their work history. Unfortunately, too many good and principled people opt not to get involved in politics, because of our "GOTCHA" media and the current mentality that we have to know EVERYTHING. Nobody wants the public at large, not to mention extended family, to find out that they smoked pot in college, or slept around, or whatever. To our detriment, because EVERYBODY has a skeleton in their closet. I think I'm the most boring person I know, and yet I have things I sure as heck wouldn't want any of you to know about. Mike
Ghost of BiB Posted October 7, 2005 Posted October 7, 2005 To our detriment, because EVERYBODY has a skeleton in their closet. I think I'm the most boring person I know, and yet I have things I sure as heck wouldn't want any of you to know about. It's in your file.
blzrul Posted October 7, 2005 Author Posted October 7, 2005 Hmmm...as a Christian and someone who apparently is vastly differing in his belief system from you, I must totally agree. This is truly interesting. I read somewhere from a prominent critic of religion in politics that the whole Ten Commandments thing escalated from a tempest in a teapot to a full blown moneymaking scam for fundamentalist Christians, through fundraising letters decrying the ACLU (which has its purpose, but it is NOT to expel religion and religious people from the public forum), and telling everyone that if they don't donate to the Cause, then they don't love God. The problem is, the Ten Commandments are much more effective when written on men's hearts. To require a monument (to me) smacks of religious legalism. You don't think Roy Moore realized that he could ride the Bible from a county judgeship to the Chief Justice position in Alabama, did you? IMO, he is taking advantage of the fear of Christians that the world is going to hell...uh, it DOES say in Scripture that the world would hate those who follow Christ (see John 15:18-19). There is a great heresy at work here, equating political power with righteousness. A truly Godly person realizes where their real treasure is. Sure they are concerned for their fellow man, but rather than seek power, the Godly person tries to make the world a bit better than they found it, through their actions and activities. Billy Graham and his son Franklin have practically mastered this. I prefer to vote for those not totally based on religious belief, but on fundamental principles and their work history. Unfortunately, too many good and principled people opt not to get involved in politics, because of our "GOTCHA" media and the current mentality that we have to know EVERYTHING. Nobody wants the public at large, not to mention extended family, to find out that they smoked pot in college, or slept around, or whatever. To our detriment, because EVERYBODY has a skeleton in their closet. I think I'm the most boring person I know, and yet I have things I sure as heck wouldn't want any of you to know about. Mike 468650[/snapback] So there you go - we agree. My outrage is not with God or Jesus or religion but with people who use religion and the fear of God to manipulate for their own ends. I'm not talking about honestly misguided people but those who do it deliberately. And those people who support them because "it's my side" are just as bad. Do you really think Jesus would tolerate this if He came back today? Do you think THEY would tolerate HIM? He'd be crucified all over again, one way or another. Boring is in the eye of the beholder, but you are welcome to keep your secrets and I'll keep mine.
Ghost of BiB Posted October 7, 2005 Posted October 7, 2005 So there you go - we agree. My outrage is not with God or Jesus or religion but with people who use religion and the fear of God to manipulate for their own ends. I'm not talking about honestly misguided people but those who do it deliberately. And those people who support them because "it's my side" are just as bad. Do you really think Jesus would tolerate this if He came back today? Do you think THEY would tolerate HIM? He'd be crucified all over again, one way or another. Boring is in the eye of the beholder, but you are welcome to keep your secrets and I'll keep mine. 468976[/snapback] In your file too, and your is thick.
blzrul Posted October 8, 2005 Author Posted October 8, 2005 In your file too, and your is thick. 468981[/snapback] I know that. Cost me a job at the Treasury out of college. Probably a good thing.
Adam Posted October 8, 2005 Posted October 8, 2005 storyWe all remember this guy and his big stone monument. This should be great fun to watch. They'll all be scrambling to truly prove each is "holier-than-thou". 463742[/snapback] Thats the problem with kids today- a different opinion is always wrong....unless that different opinion is your own, eh?
Mickey Posted October 8, 2005 Posted October 8, 2005 Hmmm...as a Christian and someone who apparently is vastly differing in his belief system from you, I must totally agree. This is truly interesting. I read somewhere from a prominent critic of religion in politics that the whole Ten Commandments thing escalated from a tempest in a teapot to a full blown moneymaking scam for fundamentalist Christians, through fundraising letters decrying the ACLU (which has its purpose, but it is NOT to expel religion and religious people from the public forum), and telling everyone that if they don't donate to the Cause, then they don't love God. The problem is, the Ten Commandments are much more effective when written on men's hearts. To require a monument (to me) smacks of religious legalism. You don't think Roy Moore realized that he could ride the Bible from a county judgeship to the Chief Justice position in Alabama, did you? IMO, he is taking advantage of the fear of Christians that the world is going to hell...uh, it DOES say in Scripture that the world would hate those who follow Christ (see John 15:18-19). There is a great heresy at work here, equating political power with righteousness. A truly Godly person realizes where their real treasure is. Sure they are concerned for their fellow man, but rather than seek power, the Godly person tries to make the world a bit better than they found it, through their actions and activities. Billy Graham and his son Franklin have practically mastered this. I prefer to vote for those not totally based on religious belief, but on fundamental principles and their work history. Unfortunately, too many good and principled people opt not to get involved in politics, because of our "GOTCHA" media and the current mentality that we have to know EVERYTHING. Nobody wants the public at large, not to mention extended family, to find out that they smoked pot in college, or slept around, or whatever. To our detriment, because EVERYBODY has a skeleton in their closet. I think I'm the most boring person I know, and yet I have things I sure as heck wouldn't want any of you to know about. Mike 468650[/snapback] You apparently don't understand that despite their super majority status, seemingly endless political power and equally endless wealth, Christians are never the less the most persecuted of our citizens. Are you blind man? Haven't you seen the roving bands of homosexuals bashing christians? Haven't you seen all those powerful atheists desecrating churches and breaking up boy scout jamborees? It's madness I tell you, madness.
blzrul Posted October 9, 2005 Author Posted October 9, 2005 You apparently don't understand that despite their super majority status, seemingly endless political power and equally endless wealth, Christians are never the less the most persecuted of our citizens. Are you blind man? Haven't you seen the roving bands of homosexuals bashing christians? Haven't you seen all those powerful atheists desecrating churches and breaking up boy scout jamborees? It's madness I tell you, madness. 470161[/snapback] By the way rumor has it that our new grand exalted supreme court chief justice is gay. How interesting will that be if true.
/dev/null Posted October 9, 2005 Posted October 9, 2005 By the way rumor has it that our new grand exalted supreme court chief justice is gay. How interesting will that be if true. 470555[/snapback] Didn't you have something better to do at 3pm on a Sunday during football season
KD in CA Posted October 9, 2005 Posted October 9, 2005 Unlike the right which seems to be fascinated with fornication, I have other fish to fry. By the way rumor has it that our new grand exalted supreme court chief justice is gay. How interesting will that be if true. 470555[/snapback] Apparently, nozzlenut ran out of fish.
Adam Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 Thats bull sh--. The FFs did not intend for the Seperation of Church and State to taken to the extreme degree it is today. The so-called "wacky left" doesnt just want to ensure that a "Federal Religion" isnt established, a fair interpretation of the establishment clause. It wants the complete and total removal of religion from the public square and pushed behind closed doors. Quite a big swing there. There is a big difference between Bush coming out and saying "Christianity if the new Federal Religion" and a bloke working at the County Department of Consumer Affairs being reprimanded for having his desk decorated with a Christmas Tree. The so-called "wacky left" treats both situations equally. 465983[/snapback] I don't know how true that is, but wanting things is ok- they will never achieve that. The US won't allow that
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 Thats bull sh--. The FFs did not intend for the Seperation of Church and State to taken to the extreme degree it is today. The so-called "wacky left" doesnt just want to ensure that a "Federal Religion" isnt established, a fair interpretation of the establishment clause. It wants the complete and total removal of religion from the public square and pushed behind closed doors. Quite a big swing there. There is a big difference between Bush coming out and saying "Christianity if the new Federal Religion" and a bloke working at the County Department of Consumer Affairs being reprimanded for having his desk decorated with a Christmas Tree. The so-called "wacky left" treats both situations equally. 465983[/snapback] Well pardon me, but I didn't know that the "wacky left" had the power to do anything about a fair interpretation of the establishment clause. The only interpretations that have any meaning are the Supreme Court rulings including 2 recent ones regarding the Separation of Church and State. I didn't realize that the court consisted of a majority of "wacky left" judges. You might want to take off your tin foil hat as I don't see the "wacky left" taking over the SCOTUS anytime soon. Then on the "wacky right", we have a President who believes that God speaks to him personally, that funnels money to so-called "Faith-Based" charities and the fundamental Christians that believe that every disaster, terrorist act and change in the weather is due to God's wanting to punish Gays and fornicators. Sorry, but I see more danger in this side than from the father who wants to sue to keep his daughter from saying "Under God" when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
Alaska Darin Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 By the way rumor has it that our new grand exalted supreme court chief justice is gay. How interesting will that be if true. 470555[/snapback] You're a class act.
/dev/null Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 Well pardon me, but I didn't know that the "wacky left" had the power to do anything about a fair interpretation of the establishment clause. The only interpretations that have any meaning are the Supreme Court rulings including 2 recent ones regarding the Separation of Church and State. I didn't realize that the court consisted of a majority of "wacky left" judges. You might want to take off your tin foil hat as I don't see the "wacky left" taking over the SCOTUS anytime soon. Then on the "wacky right", we have a President who believes that God speaks to him personally, that funnels money to so-called "Faith-Based" charities and the fundamental Christians that believe that every disaster, terrorist act and change in the weather is due to God's wanting to punish Gays and fornicators. Sorry, but I see more danger in this side than from the father who wants to sue to keep his daughter from saying "Under God" when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. 471288[/snapback] BushBad! the wacky right = rj the wacky left = rj
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 BushBad! the wacky right = rj the wacky left = rj 471559[/snapback] You're right. I wish that there was a political party that staked out the middle where most people are. The wacky right can have the Republican party, the wacky left can have the Democratic. Just a nice pragmatic party based on common sense rather than partisan bull sh--.
Campy Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 Just a nice pragmatic party based on common sense rather than partisan bull sh--. 471595[/snapback] One already exists. Don't buy in to the right/GOP and left/Dem thingy. They are the same damn party, or different feathers of the same bird to say the least. To me anyway, that makes all of the partisan whining on PPP pretty laughable. But both of the "big two" parties are socialists. They have their own methods and means, but they have a vested interest in keeping the other in place, and keeping you and me in a semi-hypnotic, semi-brainwashed, and totally controlled state. Their biggest fear is a legitimate 3rd party - and for good reason. FWIW-I'm not affiliated with any political party, and like many of the founding fathers, I'm not a big fan of them. Just my two cents...
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