Fezmid Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 It also must be noted San Diego and San Francisco's secondaries are abysmal. 460355[/snapback] Must it also be noted that Atlanta's secdonary was worse? CW
Fan in Chicago Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Must it also be noted that Atlanta's secdonary was worse? CW 460364[/snapback] You are correct (as usual in this topic's debate). Problem is that on this board we continue to argue about what could have and would have been. Only time will tell what the correct decision was this past offseason. I thought the decision to get rid of DB and get a better prospect was the correct one keeping in mind the long term goal of winning the big one. Whether the decision to go with JP was consistent with this goal, only time will tell. Meanwhile, we will continue this fruitless debate that on this board (including me !!)
GG Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 I'd debate the Atlanta game, but I'm right there with ya on the Tampa one. 460236[/snapback] That's the bizarre part about the arguments some of these people make. You won't find me backing the idea of having Drew line up wearing a red grazing buffalo helmet this year, but I would find it very hard to believe that the Bills would have lost last Sunday if he was the one tickling Teague's willy wonkas.
dave mcbride Posted October 1, 2005 Author Posted October 1, 2005 The Falcons loss was particularly brutal...JP had as bad a day as Bledsoe ever had in a Bills uniform. 460274[/snapback] i don't know about that! what about drew in green bay in 2002, when the bills lost 10-0 and he threw 4 INTs? Or against NE last year in the 33-6 loss on Sunday night, when Troy Brown got an interception? Or against Miami in game 3 of the 2003 season? or against NE in the final game of the 03 season? or against miami in the second last game of the 2003 season?
Tcali Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 In talking with league personnel and coaches, there is a growing consensus that Bills quarterback J.P. Losman isn't ready. "He's a ways away from being a good player," said one coach. The Bills let Drew Bledsoe leave with the idea that Losman was ready to be their starter. So far, he's been bad. In three starts, Losman has completed 38 of 79 passes for 358 yards, one touchdown and a passer rating of 60. By comparison, Bledsoe has thrown for 850 yards, six touchdowns and a passer rating of 103.7 for the Cowboys. The word is there is a growing feeling among the Bills players that it might be time to go to veteran Kelly Holcomb in place of Losman. That's a tough decision to make since Losman is obviously the quarterback of the future, and Bills coach Mike Mularkey said this week he is sticking with Losman. That could be something coming from above since the Bills traded a first-round pick in this year's draft to get Losman in the 2004 draft. If Losman struggles Sunday against the Saints, don't be shocked to see a change. The Bills have a lot of talent to waste on bad quarterback play. http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8907136 459789[/snapback] RIDICULOUS---Drew has some good stats...but he hasnt been that good for Dallas---...against WASH he throws a 2 yard pass on 4th and 4 to end thegame.1 loss on Drew. He throws a few good ones late against San Fran..big deal....--Last year DB was HORRIBLE--while the D was vailantly keeping us close in games.Sure---JP isnt ready---but we;d still be 1-2 with DB in there..espec ially with the D giving up GOBS of yards
Like A Mofo Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Must it also be noted that Atlanta's secdonary was worse? CW 460364[/snapback] Be that as it may, but my point was about Drew and had nothing to do wth JP
nfreeman Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 RIDICULOUS---Drew has some good stats...but he hasnt been that good for Dallas---...against WASH he throws a 2 yard pass on 4th and 4 to end thegame.1 loss on Drew. He throws a few good ones late against San Fran..big deal....--Last year DB was HORRIBLE--while the D was vailantly keeping us close in games.Sure---JP isnt ready---but we;d still be 1-2 with DB in there..espec ially with the D giving up GOBS of yards 460390[/snapback] Right on. Everyone is looking at a few Bledsoe highlights and stats from 2 wins against crappy teams early in the season and just forgetting how AWFUL he was for the last TWO YEARS in buffalo. TWO YEARS of watching that big tree trunk sit back there and get sacked out of field goal range. TWO YEARS of watching that rocket arm be completely unable to hit a running back in stride coming out of the backfield, like any NFL QB has to be able to do. Two years of my life that I'll never get back. Drew was a great guy, and I still can't decide who else we might have gotten at the time that would have been better -- bottom line is there just weren't many good QBs available or for that matter have become available since then, although Drew Brees is one of them. But there were at least 6 games last year where no one watching him could have conceivably wanted him in the NFL, and another 6 where he looked like a bottom 5 QB. Remember the Ravens game (2 picks for Deion)? The Pitt game at home against Pitt's backups to get into the playoffs? Every Jets road game? Every patriots game? He only had one good game (vs Miami, which was terrible last year) the whole year. He was terrible on the road. There was no way we could bring him back. JP is essentially a rookie and is going to struggle. That's how it is. We'll know by the end of the year whether he MIGHT be good. Not in week 3, 4, 5 or 10 for that matter. I am having an increasing number of issues with Tom Donahoe's strategy and decision-making on building this team. Someone on another thread made a great comment a few days ago -- to the effect that the bills are built from the outside in, which is a losing formula, not the inside out, which is what teams like the pats and steelers are. It's clear to me that we need more talent on both lines, and that our drafting under TD hasn't produced much in the later rounds. In addition, TD has made a number of big mistakes -- Gregg Williams and probably Mike Williams among them. But letting Drew go was not one of them.
Oneida Lake Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 But there were at least 6 games last year where no one watching him could have conceivably wanted him in the NFL, and another 6 where he looked like a bottom 5 QB. 460403[/snapback] 12 games where Bledsoe either "didn't belong in the NFL" or was a "bottom 5 quarterback", yet the team went 9-7. This year he is the highest rated QB in the NFC and Losman is the lowest in the AFC. Folks, if you don't see the spin from the Bledsoe haters/Losman lovers then you're living on another planet, just like they are.
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Including it in the article. Just because Drew is having a good year in Dallas doesn't mean he would be having a good year in Buffalo. It isn't relevant when it comes to our current issues. 459835[/snapback] What about the hot start in 2002, and then the complete crapping of the bed in the second half? The pats also started 6-0 one year with Drew, who promptly threw enough picks for them to end 8-8. 3 games is too soon to tell anything. Look at Cinci and San Diego last season.
Oneida Lake Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 What about the hot start in 2002, and then the complete crapping of the bed in the second half? 460411[/snapback] I love this one. It repeated so often by the Bledsoe hater/Losman lover spin doctors that it has become part of their phony talking points package. Some facts. Bledsoe finished 2002 with 4359 yards, 24TDs and 15Ints, a passer rating of 86 and an invite to the Pro Bowl. The team went 8-8 following a 3-13 previous year. A 5 win improvement coming to a new team and suspect coaching staff. The defense was dreadful. If you don't believe it try to remember how much was spent on the defense in the off season. Had the ST been able to stop even one of several kickoff returns for TDs. Or Travis Henry not fumbled away 2 games OR the defense played up to the quality of a division 2 college team, the playoffs were a certainty. But of course the spin is "Bledsoe crapped the bed".
BuffOrange Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 i don't know about that! what about drew in green bay in 2002, when the bills lost 10-0 and he threw 4 INTs? Or against NE last year in the 33-6 loss on Sunday night, when Troy Brown got an interception? Or against Miami in game 3 of the 2003 season? or against NE in the final game of the 03 season? or against miami in the second last game of the 2003 season? 460389[/snapback] Yep, all of those were pretty bad. The Falcons game reminded me a little of the '03 Eagles game (the week after the Sunday night debacle in Miami) when the offense couldn't score with Philly's 3 best DB's not playing - Vincent, Taylor, and Dawkins. Granted we couldn't run the ball in that game like we did vs. Atlanta, but still sickening for such a veteran QB not to take advantage of that. Same thing with Flutie in '99 vs. the Giants. It seems the only way an NFC team can beat us in our stadium is if they have practice squad players in the secondary.
Fezmid Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 JP is essentially a rookie and is going to struggle. That's how it is. We'll know by the end of the year whether he MIGHT be good. Not in week 3, 4, 5 or 10 for that matter. I don't care that JP is "essentially a rookie." Everyone who was calling for Bledsoe's head last year said, and I QUOTE: Nobody could be worse than Bledsoe. Stojan even went so far as to say: Even my grandmother could play better than Bledsoe! Sorry, but I'm finding it really tough to believe that a QB who has thrown for less than 100 yards in two of his first three games (one of them against a JV-quality secondary) is better than what Bledsoe could have done. Does anyone doubt that Bledsoe would've connected with at least one of those long bombs in the beginning of the game? That was his forte, the deep pass! I've maintained all along that we should've stuck with DB for one more year; next year the team will be completely different and you can groom your new QB then, not when you're coming off of a 9-7 season with asperations of making the playoffs. It's kinda pathetic that everyone's now saying, "Of course JP isn't that good right now, he's essentially a rookie!" when during the offseason all they'd say is "We would've gone to the playoffs if not for Bledsoe!" *sigh* CW
Fezmid Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Be that as it may, but my point was about Drew and had nothing to do wth JP 460398[/snapback] The whole THREAD is about JP!
Peter Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 ...against WASH he throws a 2 yard pass on 4th and 4 to end thegame.1 loss on Drew. 460390[/snapback] Not according to John Madden and Bill Parcells. It was the receiver's fault. You are reaching.
Dante Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 It just demonstrates that Drew was not the problem with the Bills as so many people argued. 459860[/snapback] Just because we have problems elsewhere doesnt hide the fact that Drew was also a problem. He was and still is merely average at best.
Fezmid Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Just because we have problems elsewhere doesnt hide the fact that Drew was also a problem. He was and still is merely average at best. 460446[/snapback] I'd love "merely average" at this point... We'd be 2-1 (or maybe even 3-0!) with "merely average." CW
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Not according to John Madden and Bill Parcells. It was the receiver's fault. You are reaching. 460444[/snapback] I'm tired of this excuse, Peter. Yeah, the receiver didn't run past the first down marker...so WHY THE !@#$ ARE YOU THROWING IT TO HIM???? FIND SOMEONE WHO IS PAST THE MARKER! The receiver didn't run far enough. Jesus. Talk about reaching.
Peter Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 I'm tired of this excuse, Peter. Yeah, the receiver didn't run past the first down marker...so WHY THE !@#$ ARE YOU THROWING IT TO HIM???? FIND SOMEONE WHO IS PAST THE MARKER! The receiver didn't run far enough. Jesus. Talk about reaching. 460453[/snapback] Yeah, you are right. Madden and Parcells are wrong. They don't know that regardless of what happens, we are supposed to blame DB for everything.
Peter Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Just because we have problems elsewhere doesnt hide the fact that Drew was also a problem. He was and still is merely average at best. 460446[/snapback] That average QB is the top rated QB in the NFC.
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