GG Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 wasn't moulds like 15 pounds overweight that year. i recall him having a pretty bad attitude that year, after which he saw the light. 460072[/snapback] Chicken or the egg? Levy was notorious for not playing rookies. So here's a great talented kid comes in, but finds himself on the bench for two years, while Meyshawn & Harrison are the toast of the NFL. I see Levy's point that he wanted more maturity out of his players, but with the newere breed of players coming around in mid '90s, budding stars didn't take the maturity lesson until Yr 3. I remember the talk about Moulds being fat and needing to get his game in order. But I also remember him being lights out when Bills dared to throw his way.
stuckincincy Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 no, THIS: "B A Bay, B E Bee B I Bickie Bye B O Bo Bickie Bye Bo B U Boo Bickie Bye Bo Boo F A Fay, F E Fee F I Fickie Fye F O Foe Fickie Fye Foe F U Foo Fickie Fye Foe Foo" Goddamn but that's a tongue-twister. 460104[/snapback] Oops - sig line. That's part of the theme song from the old Three Stooges kid's tv show. http://www.kididdles.com/mouseum/b019.html It's sung; BEE AAY Bay, Bee Eee Bee Bee eye Bickie Bye Bee Oh Bo (like Bo jackson) Bickie Bye Bo Bee You Boo bickie Bye Bo Boo. I know zilch about music, but each verse is recited in 10 seconds or so. I try to add some levity (confusion?) while people are fighting about the same things they have been fighting about for the past several decades...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 Nobody's looking for five TD passes per game, but a solid, 10-yard step-and-throw on 3rd and 7 would sure be nice every once in a while. 459894[/snapback] 10 yard step and throw???
KnightRider Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 well, the running game is more dominant than you're giving it credit for, running for about 50 yards above the league average last week. 459895[/snapback] Not in the red zone where it really matters. I don't know that it Willis's fault though. For some reason, we are yaking the ball out of his hands when we get inside the 20 or there is a third down... I don't really get that logic...
Risin Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 Uh, maybe you are right. But, this certainly makes all the people on this board who swore that JP "couldn't be any worse than Bledsoe" look pretty silly. JP has been awful...not Drew Bledsoe awful, more like Todd Collins awful. You can blame that paly calling and the offensive line all you want (that is what Drew haters accused Bledsoe apologists of doing ad nausium), but JP just has not made plays. He has had more time than Losman apologists care to admitt. He just, at this point, can't read defenses at a functional level, and is afraid to make mistakes. Who knows how Bledsoe would have done this year? Don't be so sure that Bledsoe will fade so badly in the second half....when he was let go, I don't imagine haters thought he had anything left in the tank. So far, he has proven them wrong... 460083[/snapback] I wanted Drew gone. He was done HERE. I'm happy he's doing well in Dallas, but even if I could bring him back, I wouldn't. I'm willing to take my lumps with JP, plus I haven't seen him throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down. So you are right, he isn't Drew awful....yet.
VABills Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 Not in the red zone where it really matters. I don't know that it Willis's fault though. For some reason, we are yaking the ball out of his hands when we get inside the 20 or there is a third down... I don't really get that logic... 460201[/snapback] I hate when they yak. The field and ball gets slippery, and smells bad. Maybe that explains why Willis tripped over his own feet he stepped in yak.
KnightRider Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 I hate when they yak. The field and ball gets slippery, and smells bad. Maybe that explains why Willis tripped over his own feet he stepped in yak. 460218[/snapback] Maybe if he had a yak blocking for him...
Lori Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 No, we wouldn't. TB's defense would have eaten Drew's lunch, and there were a NUBMER of plays in that Atlanta game that would have ended up for losses with Drew back there. Sorry, Mr. "Clutch", but I'm not buying what you're selling. 460074[/snapback] I'd debate the Atlanta game, but I'm right there with ya on the Tampa one.
Fezmid Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 plus I haven't seen him throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down. Yeah, I've only seen him step out of the endzone for a safety Uh, maybe you are right. But, this certainly makes all the people on this board who swore that JP "couldn't be any worse than Bledsoe" look pretty silly. Where's Stojan's grandmother? We should sign her -- Steve promised that she wouldn't be any worse than Bledsoe was! Maybe she'd be an improvement over JPL? CW
Risin Posted September 30, 2005 Posted September 30, 2005 Yeah, I've only seen him step out of the endzone for a safety CW 460250[/snapback] How'd I know you'd reply to that? At least he felt the pressure.
Buftex Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 I wanted Drew gone. He was done HERE. I'm happy he's doing well in Dallas, but even if I could bring him back, I wouldn't. I'm willing to take my lumps with JP, plus I haven't seen him throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down. So you are right, he isn't Drew awful....yet. 460207[/snapback] Oh I hear you...I am willing to take my lumps with JP as well, because he is our guy now, for better or worse. I just think that if he (JP) is supposed to be adding a whole new dimension to our offense, as was billed, our offense is maybe not as good as we all might have thought it was. Who knows, results might not have been much different right now Bedsore was our QB, but it has been frustrating to watch a young QB who seems overwhelmed, and ill-fitted for his current role. He just simply isn't making any plays...not small ones or big ones. Let's face it, we all felt pretty good about his game against the Texans, but even that game was only adequate. It jsut seemed that the Bills, despite their defesive woes, could have won the Bucs and Falcons game, with just something from the QB! These were both winnable games. The Falcons loss was particularly brutal...JP had as bad a day as Bledsoe ever had in a Bills uniform. I am so pumped to be going to the game this weekend, I pray that this is JP's big step game. I really am. There is a ton to like about the kid, his play, right now, is not one of them.....
Risin Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Oh I hear you...I am willing to take my lumps with JP as well, because he is our guy now, for better or worse. I just think that if he (JP) is supposed to be adding a whole new dimension to our offense, as was billed, our offense is maybe not as good as we all might have thought it was. Who knows, results might not have been much different right now Bedsore was our QB, but it has been frustrating to watch a young QB who seems overwhelmed, and ill-fitted for his current role. He just simply isn't making any plays...not small ones or big ones. Let's face it, we all felt pretty good about his game against the Texans, but even that game was only adequate. It jsut seemed that the Bills, despite their defesive woes, could have won the Bucs and Falcons game, with just something from the QB! These were both winnable games. The Falcons loss was particularly brutal...JP had as bad a day as Bledsoe ever had in a Bills uniform. I am so pumped to be going to the game this weekend, I pray that this is JP's big step game. I really am. There is a ton to like about the kid, his play, right now, is not one of them..... 460274[/snapback] I agree completely. I was one of those guys who thought JP couldn't be much worse then Drew, I'll admit I was wrong. That doesn't mean I want Drew back, I'm happy JP is our QB, and "think" he'll be a decent/very good NFL QB. These growing pains are tough to watch.
Fezmid Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 How'd I know you'd reply to that? What can I say, I'm predictable!
mead107 Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 big !@#$ ing deal, screw that jerk he really is a first year starter
finknottle Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Including it in the article. Just because Drew is having a good year in Dallas doesn't mean he would be having a good year in Buffalo. It isn't relevant when it comes to our current issues. 459835[/snapback] Silliest thing I've ever heard. While it is true that there is a limit to comparisons between players performances on different teams, if you throw them out you wind up with nothing. I could sit here and argue that Kyle Boller is the best qb in the league right now. If you point out that some 30 qbs are doing better, I'll just use your logic.
habes1280 Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 as for losman, he is "losing" games. i say this because to win in the nfl a team has to score points, and the league, like it or not, is a passing league. 459895[/snapback] I concur. Manufacturing yards/plays without opportunity is winning games, J.P. (and I'm pulling for him) is missing yardage/plays when the opportunity is present. He needn't make every third down throw for us, but missing nearly every one of them is, in fact, undermining things like the running game, the defense (who spend an exorbitant amount of time on the field), and the special teams (whose coverage units would have to be elite to compensate). J.P. is not making ANY throws, and we need a few throws from our QB to keep our other units, and our running game, above board. Presently, J.P. is losing games for us.
finknottle Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 There is only two there and they have a rookie RT. Another big difference is having a legit TE vs. the rejects we have had. 460024[/snapback] And don't forget the Ruben Brown factor - ie, the inherent goofiness and laziness of the pro bowl selection process. In the case of Dallas, I would argue that they and other notorious or large market teams get more pro bowl selections, just for who they are. (I do think their O-line is better; I just don't buy into this idea that it is all-pro.)
VABills Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 And don't forget the Ruben Brown factor - ie, the inherent goofiness and laziness of the pro bowl selection process. In the case of Dallas, I would argue that they and other notorious or large market teams get more pro bowl selections, just for who they are. (I do think their O-line is better; I just don't buy into this idea that it is all-pro.) 460328[/snapback] Actually Flozell Adams and Larry Allen are true pro bowlers. They are two of the top 5 or 6 at their positions in the league, easily. The other close one is Marco Rivera that they signed from GB. Pettiti is the rookie at RT and at 6th roun appears to be a steal. Add Witten who is a probowler and deserves it at TE, it is a much better group for him, then we have.
IndyMark Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 I question that statement. As of now, the talent is not producing on D. So what exactly is this talent that he speaks of which is so undermined just by JP ?I do agree somewhat that JP is not ready but as others on this board have said a million times till now, he never will be if KH starts. 459816[/snapback] Bingo.
Like A Mofo Posted October 1, 2005 Posted October 1, 2005 Exactly which "Bledsoe junk" from the article do you "disagree" with: A) Bledsoe has thrown for 850 yards, B) six touchdowns C) and a passer rating of 103.7 459822[/snapback] It also must be noted San Diego and San Francisco's secondaries are abysmal.
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