Tom Donahoe is an excellent GM

[marck]

I am going to vent my frustations for all of the individuals on this board who think they have any knowledge of football, whether it be at the level of a dedicated Bills fan or someone who has somne level of league wide knowledge.

 

I have read post after post on this board decrying the efforts of Tom Donahoe's performance as the General Manager of the Buffalo Bills.

 

The whinning, complaining and complains about I am fed up with not making the playoffs, and his personnel moves suck, and he is an idiot and is ruining the team.

 

People, please get your heads out of your collective a__ses. Look at the roster that was inherited after the 2000 season. Look at the salary cap mess that this team was in. I have seen complaint after complaint that the teams record is 27-40 in his tenure.

 

In his first draft, TD trades down, picks up Nate Clements, gets an extra 2nd round pick for Travis Henry who gives the Bills two really good years after an average season, and now we get an additional 3rd round pick in the 2006 draft after dumping the druggie on the fading Titans. Also, we did also get Aaron Schoebel who is an excellent DE on this years team and who is also signed to a long term deal. Lastly, he drafted Jonas Jennings who is now gone, but will be worth a compensatory pick in the 2006 draft.

 

Well, first of all you can toss the 3-13 record in his first year. That was the remnants of the late John Butler's spend all the cap money on aging veterans with diminishing skills and pay the rest to QB's who were to short or too disinterested (Flutie/Johnson). With the high pick in that draft we get Mike Williams who to date has been good but not great, but has been developing and will be a pro bowl player in the next couple of seasons. Later in that draft TD drafts Terrance McGee who is a pro bowl return specialist and developing as an excellent CB.

 

So, we move to year two, team gets Bledsoe, which energizes the fan base increases revenue, allowing the Bills to have the revenue to bring in quality free agent upgrades to improve the defense. Also at the end of this year, TD makes the ultimite gamble and lets the Falcons throw stupid money at Peerless Price and we then turn around and use that money to add Takeo Spikes and use the draft choice to draft Willis McGahee, how does that move look now Donahoe haters?

 

Now in the long term Bledsoe needed more protection and the offensive line constructed has not been able to get that job done. This is an area that TD has not addressed sufficently and I will concede that point. The patchwork effort has led to a lack of cohesion and there is a need to use draft picks to boost this part of our team.

 

Lastly, this team may be one year away from being a significant player in the AFC East for the rest of this decade and it is in part to the excellent work done by TD and the efforts of the players on this roster and the additions that will be made in the future.

 

I know many of you on this board do not remember or are too young and immature to think backs of the teams under Bill Pollian that went 2-14, 4-12 and 4-12 before maturing into the team that won the AFC East from 1988 to 1991 and went to four straight Super Bowls.

 

Be patient and let this team develop instead of your constant whining and bitching because frankly I am getting fed up reading it from you bandwagon losers.

 

Go ahead and argue with me on what I have written, but I guarantee you that any point you bring up will not be supported by facts which I will prove out in my response, so fire away all TD bashers, as I am ready for you.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I am going to vent my frustations for all of the individuals on this board who think they have any knowledge of football, whether it be at the level of a dedicated Bills fan or someone who has somne level of league wide knowledge.

 

I have read post after post on this board decrying the efforts of Tom Donahoe's performance as the General Manager of the Buffalo Bills. 

 

The whinning, complaining and complains about I am fed up with not making the playoffs, and his personnel moves suck, and he is an idiot and is ruining the team.

 

People, please get your heads out of your collective a__ses.  Look at the roster that was inherited after the 2000 season.  Look at the salary cap mess that this team was in.  I have seen complaint after complaint that the teams record is 27-40 in his tenure.

 

In his first draft, TD trades down, picks up Nate Clements, gets an extra 2nd round pick for Travis Henry who gives the Bills two really good years after an average season, and now we get an additional 3rd round pick in the 2006 draft after dumping the druggie on the fading Titans.  Also, we did also get Aaron Schoebel who is an excellent DE on this years team and who is also signed to a long term deal.  Lastly, he drafted Jonas Jennings who is now gone, but will be worth a compensatory pick in the 2006 draft.

 

Well, first of all you can toss the 3-13 record in his first year.  That was the remnants of the late John Butler's spend all the cap money on aging veterans with diminishing skills and pay the rest to QB's who were to short or too disinterested (Flutie/Johnson).  With the high pick in that draft we get Mike Williams who to date has been good but not great, but has been developing and will be a pro bowl player in the next couple of seasons.  Later in that draft TD drafts Terrance McGee who is a pro bowl return specialist and developing as an excellent CB.

 

So, we move to year two, team gets Bledsoe, which energizes the fan base increases revenue, allowing the Bills to have the revenue to bring in quality free agent upgrades to improve the defense.  Also at the end of this year, TD makes the ultimite gamble and lets the Falcons throw stupid money at Peerless Price and we then turn around and use that money to add Takeo Spikes and use the draft choice to draft Willis McGahee, how does that move look now Donahoe haters?

 

Now in the long term Bledsoe needed more protection and the offensive line constructed has not been able to get that job done.  This is an area that TD has not addressed sufficently and I will concede that point.  The patchwork effort has led to a lack of cohesion and there is a need to use draft picks to boost this part of our team.

 

Lastly, this team may be one year away from being a significant player in the AFC East for the rest of this decade and it is in part to the excellent work done by TD and the efforts of the players on this roster and the additions that will be made in the future.

 

I know many of you on this board do not remember or are too young and immature to think backs of the teams under Bill Pollian that went 2-14, 4-12 and 4-12 before maturing into the team that won the AFC East from 1988 to 1991 and went to four straight Super Bowls.

 

Be patient and let this team develop instead of your constant whining and bitching because frankly I am getting fed up reading it from you bandwagon losers.

 

Go ahead and argue with me on what I have written, but I guarantee you that any point you bring up will not be supported by facts which I will prove out in my response, so fire away all TD bashers, as I am ready for you.

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YEAH BABY! YEAH!!!

 

Eat that you negative nancies!!

 

Excellent post...

[stuckincincy]

Weren't we asked to name someone better?

[In space no one can hear]

Name someone better?

 

New Englands GM Scott Paoli

[Bill from NYC]

Hiring GW and Gilbride was all but inexcusable. I also think that you are off on the MW pick when taking into account that he is paid as if he is a great left tackle, rather than the fairly good RT that he is. Probowl? This is his 4th year. Wishful thinking perhaps?

As for JP over Bledsoe, we shall see.

Other than this, I agree that he has made some very good moves.

[In space no one can hear]

Name someone Better?

 

Baltimore's GM Ozzie Newsome

[Dan Gross]

Name someone better?

 

New Englands GM Scott Paoli

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Not only did you spell the name wrong you gave him the wrong title. He's not GM, he's VP of Player Personnel, effectively the same role as John Guy on the Bills...

 

Anyway, let me answer on behalf of everyone else here:

27-40

longest playoff drought in almost 20 years.

[Bill from NYC]

Weren't we asked to name someone better?

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Bill Parcells.

[NavyBillsFan]

Great post man,

 

I dont think anyone is going to argue with you buddy. I we all jump and point fingers at people and blame when our team is not doing well. I think everyone is sick of rebuilding and TD has used the term the past 3 years. I have liked some of TD's moves and I hate some. I hope JP becomes a great QB, I really do. But by the time he comes around, it will be time to rebuild the D. TD is NOT known to pay for players and will let guys go. Moulds is getting old and next season his contract is going to be out of wack. Mike Williams is a BUST, Drew, The Entire O line, The whole Rob Johnson disaster (not all his fault) and trading away first round draft picks really hurt.

 

This team keeps taking steps back while we see other teams growing. Look at the Cinnci, we are NOT going to beat them and they are a better team with the Same coach we should of hired. MM will be a good coach (I hope).

 

This team has NOTHING to back up our starters! NOTHING! Will will see this now that TKO is OUT!

 

There are WAY too many questions on this team at this point in TD's era and nothing gets fixed. He brings in grade D meat and wants it to taste like grade A and it is just not working out. I like TD but I really think its time for a change man. Not to piss you off with your post, its a great one! But the Bills are not looking good and have not for the past couple of years.

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Not only did you spell the name wrong you gave him the wrong title.  He's not GM, he's VP of Player Personnel, effectively the same role as John Guy on the Bills...

 

Anyway, let me answer on behalf of everyone else here:

27-40

longest playoff drought in almost 20 years.

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Nice try smarta##!!

 

He DOES NOT perform the same role for the Patriots that John Guy does..no matter what the title says! Each team in the league has a boat load of imprtant sounding titles for various executives.

The bottom line is hie role for the Patriots is alot closer to Donahoes role with the Bills than John freakin Guy!!

[e-dog]

Pretty good post and I agree with most except,

 

Schobel is not an excellent d-end. He is average and TD vastly overpaid him.

Mike Williams has pro bowl potential but it is questionable if he will ever reach that status. Also you don't draft a right tackle at #4 and pay him that kind of money. We won't even discuss his injuries, and lack of commitment.

He has missed on some early d-line draft picks that should be key contributers at this point, but are not. { Denny, Anderson,Edwards }

 

Other than that He has done a pretty good job. But he is not the best gm in football.

[Bill from NYC]

Pretty good post and I agree with most except,

 

Schobel is not an excellent d-end. He is average and TD vastly overpaid him.

Mike Williams has pro bowl potential but it is questionable if he will ever reach that status. Also you don't draft a right tackle at #4 and pay him that kind of money. We won't even discuss his injuries, and lack of commitment.

He has missed on some early d-line draft picks that should be key contributers at this point, but are not. { Denny, Anderson,Edwards }

 

Other than that He has done a pretty good job. But he is not the best gm in football.

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I disagree about the Schobel deal. DEs and LTs command HUGE bucks. AS makes considerably less than Winstrom. Wouldn't you say that they are at least very comparible?

[jdubs]

Personally, the only thing that annoys me about this season is that the Bills were overhyped big time. I'm not like most people who are whining that their lives are over this season after a dismal start. WE'RE 3 GAMES IN! Look what happened last year, no one expected that. All I'm saying is keep the faith in our team and the team personel. They could use all the encouragement in the world right now, not a bunch of grumpy monday morning armchair quarterbacks b*tching about who did what.

[boomerjamhead]

Anyway, let me answer on behalf of everyone else here:

27-40

longest playoff drought in almost 20 years.

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Exactly. I'm growing less and less impressed with the Tom and Tom show with each passing season.

[todd]

Yeah, their QB situation is just wonderful, isn't it? And man, those players on that team are CLASSY! ONly a few of them are associated with murder and drugs.

 

Give me a break.

 

 

 

Name someone Better?

 

Baltimore's GM Ozzie Newsome

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[Mark VI]

Name someone better

 

Stew Barber

[PTS]

Oh where to begin.

 

1. This team has been "one year" away every year since Donahoe arrived.

 

2. I'm sick of being patient, there is no reason we shouldn't be in the playoffs this year. We should have been in last year!

 

3. I'm also sick of this "there's always next year" mentality that some of you fans display. That's the way losers think.

 

4. So tell me how your master plan of TD's genius is going to work when our defense dwindles away because of salary and age concerns. Moulds is nearing the end of his prime if he hasn't passed it already and he probably doesn't want to play here anymore with all the crap he's gone through. The only bright spot on this team is McGahee.

 

Unless JP turns into P. Manning, I gotta ask... whatchu talkin' bout Willis? This team needs to win now and that ain't gonna happen with a QB that has no awareness on the field.

[In space no one can hear]

Name someone better?

 

Rich McKay from Atlanta

[Kelly the Dog]

Ozzie Newsome is an excellent one. Bill Polian is an excellent one. Pioli probably doesn't rate because it's impossible to separate Bellicheck from the personell decisions and drafting and negotiating. I guess you could put Andy Reid on that list, although the coach/GM's don't have a lot of the same duties as the straight GMs. Just look at all the teams and think of their GMs and all the moves they made. There ain't a lot of them. TD is right up there. And, oh yeah, they're not available.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Unless JP turns into P. Manning, I gotta ask... whatchu talkin' bout Willis? This team needs to win now and that ain't gonna happen with a QB that has no awareness on the field.

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And he'll never develop that, right? I mean, you can know EVERYTHING about a QB's future after three starts, right?

 

RIGHT.