GG Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I disagree here. Gandy got in the way, but after he hit him, Gandy was laying on the ground and the CB Cash was still on his feet. Smith SHOULD have taken it outside, but it would have been for naught anyway. The safety was closing fast and would have stopped him after maybe another yard or two - well short of the 1st down. 457218[/snapback] You sure about that? I watched the play several times. Gandy got Cash down, but his momentum kept going. That's why I'm guessing Smith turned inside. Cash made a good tackle sprawled on the ground. The safety was closing in, but wouldn't have been there in time to stop a 1st down. No way the safety makes it in time with Parrish running, nor does Cash make the tackle, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 You sure about that? I watched the play several times. Gandy got Cash down, but his momentum kept going. That's why I'm guessing Smith turned inside. Cash made a good tackle sprawled on the ground. The safety was closing in, but wouldn't have been there in time to stop a 1st down. No way the safety makes it in time with Parrish running, nor does Cash make the tackle, either. 457281[/snapback] I watched it after you posted. Maybe about 10 times, slow mo, etc... Gandy did well enough to get in his way if he went to the outside, but he didn't blow him up. Cash remained standing (he may have stumbled a bit), and made the play once Smith turned it inside. At the top of the screen, you can see the safety fly to Gandy's outside. Given the extra time it would have taken to get to the outside, I'm confident that contact would have been made 2 yards behind the 1st down marker. Moulds may have pushed forward, but neither Parrish or Smith would have gained anything further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Write it off. I'm not saying give up, but DON'T try to create stop gap measures in a bid to have some kind of playoff spot that you'll likely lose in the first or second round. Other teams are improving, we keep treading water. Win where you can, but for damn sake stick with something for a while. This team has more than a couple of holes. Bring in the football version of QA/QC and use the season as a laboratory. Figure out, REALLY figure out what the team needs to be successful. Start now planning to those goals, whether it be operations, personnel, whatever. We'll still likely go about 7-9 to 9-7 and who knows? But next year? No excuses. Unless this offensive line crap gets fixed, nothing else is going to happen. Interior D line acts like the revolving door at the mall. Fix it. We're good on receivers - no more speedy little draft choices. Staff - you wanted Losman, you got him. We've been screwed for several years with QB play. Whatever is wrong, fix it. Don't dance around it. Yup, once again, don't make dumb stopgap moves. It's about time 1BD really make an effort to round out the team. If quality has to be cut somewhere to bring another facet of the game up, cinch the belt and do it. I just have a concern that we will have another year of close, and should have beens, but barring a miracle they won't get there. Then, without the right kind of mindset, we'll have another off season of stop gap, mysterious and sometimes flashy moves to keep us right where we are. Power running game? Behind THAT line with a QB not fooling anyone? Anyone want more than 2 seasons out of WM? Scrambling, accurate QB with a rifle arm? Fix it. 456855[/snapback] We can fix it next year. I still think that with JP's progress it will be important to have him in there starting every game. Hopefully we'll resign Clements before the end of the regular season. The offensive line needs a top upgrade at at least one position, with a solid backup which we had last year in Marcus Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I watched it after you posted. Maybe about 10 times, slow mo, etc... Gandy did well enough to get in his way if he went to the outside, but he didn't blow him up. Cash remained standing (he may have stumbled a bit), and made the play once Smith turned it inside. At the top of the screen, you can see the safety fly to Gandy's outside. Given the extra time it would have taken to get to the outside, I'm confident that contact would have been made 2 yards behind the 1st down marker. Moulds may have pushed forward, but neither Parrish or Smith would have gained anything further. 457292[/snapback] This is where we differ. Cash was totally out of the play, but when Smith made the inexplicable decision to go back inside, he ran right into Cash who was getting back up. Gandy had him on the ground. You also have to think of the timing, if Smith had continued to run outside, he was three yards away from the yellow line, while the safety wasn't even in the camera frame (5 yards). Smith's hesitation & cutback is what blew up the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 True.. but if the Coaching staff continues to call a bad game, it really doesn't matter. They have to be realistic concerning the roster and play to their strengths. The first 3 games show us running the ball often is a GOOD idea, with the pass protection being poor. Losman shouldn't be attempting more than 18-20 passes a game. 456872[/snapback] Couldn't agreee with this post more. From start to finish this is exactly what needs to be done. Good-simple-to the point, post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 You know, I realize our O-line is not stellar, but I really don't think they have been as bad as most are making them out to be. I hate to say it, but Losman is making them look much worse than they are. To be sure, they have had some lapses, but Losman has often, over the last three weeks, had lots of time to scan the field, and make reads. He is just simply making poor reads, and worse throws.... I do believe that O-line and D-line are the keys to success for any team, and the Bills could use help on both. I think this O-line will be playing much better as the season goes on, I am not as sure about the QB. This kid is not ready to start, plain and simple. I think everyone with a grip on reality expected some rough times with Losman, but I don't think anyone would have predicted he would be this green, and frankly, kind of miserable to watch. At least with the previous starter, we had seen him have success before, so there was always the hope it would happen again. I am not at all saying that JP is worthless or awful, I just don't think he is ready at all to compete at the NFL level right now. I am not so sure that sitting behind Holcomb wouldn't be better for him in the long run, than having him go out there and playing miserably. There is a lot to like about Losman. Remember that RJ possesed many of the skills that Losman is purported to have (great arm, mobility, accuaracy). I just fear that Losman may fall into the same rut that RJ killed his carreer with, that is, being terrified of making bad plays, and consequently, making no plays at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Offensive line is the achilles heal (sorry TKO) of this team. We go into 2005 with a 40% changeover from 2004, and when one of the linemen (such as Mike Williams this past week) goes down, that attrition rate goes to a staggering 60%. How many times throughout the years have we heard of the importance of chemistry and continuity for O-linemen? Now, just for fun, we throw in an inexperienced QB. Once the O-line gets it together, the passing game should start to click. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, effect Parrish has when he comes back. 456873[/snapback] Patriots turned over 40% of their line last week against the Steelers and didn't miss a beatwith 2 rookies stepping in. maybe our vaunted OL coach is a tad overrated?? The Offensive coaches should be taking advantage of the big pass rush by running screens and draws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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