NavyBillsFan Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 Im thinking if the Bills D stays strong and we dont lose any key players, we may finally lose Grey next season. He should get a HC spot. But, Dom Capers is going to get canned down in Houston. Thats one of Tom's ole Poopsburg boys and he is ONE HELL OF A D COACH... I would love to see him up in Buffalo next year if this does happen. I remember Dom taking that Pittsburgh D, which was trash, and turning it into one of the best ever in the NFL. Kirkland, Greene, Greg Lloyd, Chad Scott... He did some wonders with those guys and did his own scouting also. Not jumping the gun but I just dont see Grey getting passed up next year.
ganesh Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 The question is will Dom Capers want to work for MM...Both capers and MM were assistants in Pittsburgh... Also, it really depends on which coaches are going to be fired and who will likely hire a Jerry Gray (a virtual unknown rookie HC) as their HC...I think the Houston Texans are the only team that will likely to hire Jerry Gray as HC if they fire Capers...(Gray was the CB for the old Houston Oilers and has connections to houston). AFC East: Edwards could be in trouble, but I can't see the Jets going to another rookie HC...May be a Dom Capers gets his shot in NY. AFC North: Unlikely to see a HC change..Crennel is in his first year...and Marvin will get at least another year (even if he does not make the playoffs). AFC West: Vermeil is in his last year...so that is a opening...If KC makes it deep into the playoffs, I am not sure they are going to hand the team to a rookie defensive coordinator. Norv Turner will get another year...Even if he does not, Al Davis will want a offensive minded coach...SD and Denver should still be safe. AFC South: Fisher, Del Rio, Dungy are all safe...Capers could be in trouble. Houston is one spot where they might go with a rookie HC, especially a fiery defensive coordinator....though they need to fix their offensive philosophy... Though again Greg Williams will have exactly the same connections as JG and could be a competing candidate there. NFC East: Parcells, Gibbs, Reid and Coughlin...all are set. NFC North: Sherman could be in trouble...especially after losing his GM job last year. Tice could be in trouble if they don't make the playoffs...especially with all the infusion of talent on defense. Love is safe. NFC South: Haslett will get one more year... NFC West: Martz might be in trouble...and so could Holmgren... Based on the situations, the only one that JG has a chance is with the Houston Texans... I feel good about our chances to retain Jerry Gray for another year.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 NFC East: Parcells, Gibbs, Reid and Coughlin...all are set. 440039[/snapback] If the Cowfags crash-and-burn, you can expect Fat Tuna to walk away. I getthe feeling his heart is not into coaching like it used to be. Not to mention having to deal with Jerry Jones all day. PTR
Ramius Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I wouldnt say that shanahan is a sure bet to stay on...hes been on the hot seat for a while, and if th borncos miss the playoffs, i dont see him being kept there...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 1) No way Capers comes here as a d-coordinator. For one, he's been more of a superior to MM his whole career--while MM was on the lowest notch of the todem pole, Capers was the best assistant in the league. So I don't know how he would take to MM as the boss now. And Capers is strictly a 3-4 guy. I can't see us switching back to the 3-4 in light of all the success we've had in our current 4-3/"46" defense. 2) I think Gray flies under the radar again and doesn't get offered a job. Gregg Williams is probably the #1 defensive assistant out there right now. And based on experience alone, I would rank Monte Kiffin (TB), the Philly d-coordinator (Jim Johnson?), and possible LeBeau ahead of Gray. Plus, you have guys like Fassel and Butch Davis floating around biding their time until another opening. Gray would be a long shot for a HC spot. Of course, you never know--we hired an unknown defensive coach from Tennessee a few years ago.
Typical TBD Guy Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I bet you someone like Dave Wannstedt gets another head coaching job before Gray does. Yes, even if Gray was white. The NFL - in general - loves to recycle its failed coaches because of their valuable "veteran experiences."
ganesh Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I bet you someone like Dave Wannstedt gets another head coaching job before Gray does. Yes, even if Gray was white. The NFL - in general - loves to recycle its failed coaches because of their valuable "veteran experiences." 440153[/snapback] If wannstedt continues to stink up the joint here losing to a 2nd level school like Ohio university, then he will not get a chance....This time around he does not have a crony like a Jimmy Johnson to allow him to become a HC
boomerjamhead Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I wouldnt say that shanahan is a sure bet to stay on...hes been on the hot seat for a while, and if th borncos miss the playoffs, i dont see him being kept there... 440080[/snapback] Shanahan is golden, and there is no way he gets canned. The Broncos need a QB, and the sooner they part ways with Plummer the better.
Stevie Ray Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 1) No way Capers comes here as a d-coordinator. For one, he's been more of a superior to MM his whole career--while MM was on the lowest notch of the todem pole, Capers was the best assistant in the league. So I don't know how he would take to MM as the boss now. If Capers doesnt get offered another HC job, I'd say he'd take to MM as the boss very well. I dont think the majority of NFL coaches have a problem having to serve under another HC, provided they cannot find a head spot for themselves. Its a combination of: a) continuing your income b) being professional c) showing the rest of the league your skills so that you can become a hot candidate the following year.
boomerjamhead Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 Didn't Capers go to Jax as DC when he got canned at Carolina?
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 Gray will be a serious candidate as soon as we make the playoffs. He may get chosen the first year but certainly by the second. What we have to look at is who we have on staff to take over the reigns. I'm liking Tim Krumrie a lot, any thoughts?
BRH Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 People are overlooking the most obvious landing spot for Gray: if Texas somehow effs up again and loses to OU, Mack Brown is done. Gray, a former Longhorn, would be the people's choice for the job, I think. Fortunately for Brown, the Sooners look ripe for the picking this year.
BRH Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I would rank Monte Kiffin (TB), the Philly d-coordinator (Jim Johnson?), and possible LeBeau ahead of Gray. 440099[/snapback] LeBeau is in his late 60s. I think he had his chance in Cincinnati and won't get another one, even if the fault was more Mike Brown's than LeBeau's.
BuffOrange Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I wouldnt say that shanahan is a sure bet to stay on...hes been on the hot seat for a while, and if th borncos miss the playoffs, i dont see him being kept there... 440080[/snapback] That's what I would think too, but he's apparantly very good friends with his boss.
boomerjamhead Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I'm thinking he could go to: St. Louis Seattle Houston Minnesota
Golden Wheels Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 If the Cowfags crash-and-burn, you can expect Fat Tuna to walk away. I getthe feeling his heart is not into coaching like it used to be. Not to mention having to deal with Jerry Jones all day. PTR 440060[/snapback] I don't know about that. Parcells recently went through a divorce and needs JJ's money.
scribo Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 1) No way Capers comes here as a d-coordinator. For one, he's been more of a superior to MM his whole career--while MM was on the lowest notch of the todem pole, Capers was the best assistant in the league. So I don't know how he would take to MM as the boss now. And Capers is strictly a 3-4 guy. I can't see us switching back to the 3-4 in light of all the success we've had in our current 4-3/"46" defense. 2) I think Gray flies under the radar again and doesn't get offered a job. Gregg Williams is probably the #1 defensive assistant out there right now. And based on experience alone, I would rank Monte Kiffin (TB), the Philly d-coordinator (Jim Johnson?), and possible LeBeau ahead of Gray. Plus, you have guys like Fassel and Butch Davis floating around biding their time until another opening. Gray would be a long shot for a HC spot. Of course, you never know--we hired an unknown defensive coach from Tennessee a few years ago. 440099[/snapback] I agree that Fassel and Davis would likely get HC jobs before Gray. I also agree that most probably see Gregg Williams as the top DC out there right now, but it seems fairly clear that Washington is ready to promote him the minute Joe Gibbs retires, which I'm willing to bet is at the end of this season. Also, don't forget about Dick LeBleau.
NavyBillsFan Posted September 14, 2005 Author Posted September 14, 2005 I don't know about that. Parcells recently went through a divorce and needs JJ's money. 440378[/snapback] I would love to be a fly on the wall when those two are in a meeting. There is no way those two get along. NO WAY! A GREEDY know-it-all paired with a plain know-it-all just dont fly in my book... Same with Gibbs up in Washington. If JJ and Snyder have it their way, NFL will be in a ton of trouble..... Its going to be wild to see who ole Paul crumbles to and I got a feeling its going to be the men with the money.....
Bill from NYC Posted September 14, 2005 Posted September 14, 2005 I know that he will never come back, but imo Wade Phillips is as good as any defensive mind in football, including GW or Capers. Cottrell is very good as well, but imo he is a Wade disciple. Personally, I hope that Wade gets another shot at being a head coach. He WAS better at it than Greg Williams.
NavyBillsFan Posted September 14, 2005 Author Posted September 14, 2005 I agree that Fassel and Davis would likely get HC jobs before Gray. I also agree that most probably see Gregg Williams as the top DC out there right now, but it seems fairly clear that Washington is ready to promote him the minute Joe Gibbs retires, which I'm willing to bet is at the end of this season. Also, don't forget about Dick LeBleau. 440383[/snapback] Not Dick man, I think Dick had his chance and it was a bad one. People still talk about his time up there. The sad thing is he may just be a great coach. But coaching in Cin is just bad all around I think.... Throw in Arizona, Cleveland, and NO. Those are just teams that ruin people's reps...
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