NavyBillsFan Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Sorry if posted. I was watching Cold Pizza and ESPN was reporting that there are meeting being held this week to KEEP the team in San Antonio. Id hate to see it. Would just further kill the hearts of their die hard fans going through loss right now. But NFL does not care about the people who buy tickets. On the other end. I dont see that city ever returning to normal.
Ghost of BiB Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Sorry if posted. I was watching Cold Pizza and ESPN was reporting that there are meeting being held this week to KEEP the team in San Antonio. Id hate to see it. Would just further kill the hearts of their die hard fans going through loss right now. But NFL does not care about the people who buy tickets. On the other end. I dont see that city ever returning to normal. 429505[/snapback] If it happens at all, it will be years. Three Texas teams. That could get interesting.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Move them to LA and get THAT over with. The Saints were likely going to move anyway, hurricane or not. As for the city of NO, I don't see it ever returning. The first/biggest mistake was building a city below sea level. Fool me once...
Nanker Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Move them to LA and get THAT over with. The Saints were likely going to move anyway, hurricane or not. As for the city of NO, I don't see it ever returning. The first/biggest mistake was building a city below sea level. Fool me once... 429508[/snapback] When the city was "built" it was above sea level and at the mouth of the Mississippi.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Semantics. They should have NOT built in areas below sea level and at least not without levees that could withstand the most severe of hurricanes. I can understand originally not building them to withstand greater than Cat. 3 hurricanes (as they did), but there have been enough close shaves in the past to have undertaken strengthening/rebuilding of the levees and it was never done, mostly because of lack of funding and/or foresight. Well now look at it. It's a pity.
NavyBillsFan Posted September 5, 2005 Author Posted September 5, 2005 My wife said something that really rung a bell and could happen. She said watch and see all the big business buy up all that land and make it one big casino. They will cash in on the whole Marti Gras thing making that a "family theme park." Expensive as all hell one time a year event.
BillnutinHouston Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Club officials DENIED a report Benson was strongly leaning toward relocating the franchise here permanently. Link here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2152030
Dan Gross Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 I thought Clutch had the scoop days ago that it was a done deal that New Orleans was definitely playing in San Antonio for the season....?
Nanker Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Semantics. They should have NOT built in areas below sea level and at least not without levees that could withstand the most severe of hurricanes. I can understand originally not building them to withstand greater than Cat. 3 hurricanes (as they did), but there have been enough close shaves in the past to have undertaken strengthening/rebuilding of the levees and it was never done, mostly because of lack of funding and/or foresight. Well now look at it. It's a pity. 429517[/snapback] Urban Sprawl From the first, New Orleans turned to technology to impose order on its environs. Since engineers began to figure out how to drain the city adequately in the mid-19th century, they have struggled mightily to do so. Over time they built a network of enormous pumps (several of which have failed in the face of Katrina) and hundreds of miles of canals—a quantity to make a Venetian feel at home. Their feats, however incomplete, have allowed the city to expand off the relatively high ground near the Mississippi and to spread out into what used to be a huge cypress swamp along the shore of Lake Pontchartrain. If New Orleans is below sea level, why isn't it underwater? "Because it's protected by natural and artificial barriers. The city sits on the banks of the Mississippi, where sediment from the river had created areas of elevated land called "natural levees." New Orleans' earliest buildings sat on top of these levees, but as the population grew, houses were built farther inland at lower elevations. To create usable land, water had to be pumped out of the area, which in turn caused the ground to sink even lower. It's possible for part of New Orleans to exist below sea level because the levees that surround the city protect it (most of the time) from floods." According to Rick McCulloh, research associate with the Louisiana Geological Survey at Louisiana State University, modern New Orleans is sinking for a number of reasons. "If you have a wetland soil, it has a very high clay content and a high content of organic matter," said McCulloh. Much of New Orleans outside of the Vieux Carré -- the French Quarter that was Bienville's original city -- has been built on swampland drained by pumps and canals. Water seeping from the clay into the canals, which is then pumped uphill into Lake Pontchartrain, leads to volume reduction in the soil. It compacts down. "The other issue is oxidation of organic matter," said McCulloh. "The sediment in a wetland is in a sort of pickled state -- it's prevented from exposure to oxygen. As soon as you dewater the soil, atmospheric oxygen then invades that top part of the soil column which was not previously exposed." The resulting decay of organic material can have a tremendous effect on the volume. "Of course, the leveeing of New Orleans from both lake and river prevents fresh sediment from accumulating and restoring height lost to volume reduction in the clay. But, McCulloh said, while clay dehydration can occur at deeper levels too, these issues are mainly just on the surface where people are active. "The biggest process of all is the one in which the entire coastal zone is warped across a hinge zone by the deposition of sediment in the Gulf." The Mississippi River washes incredible amounts of sediment downriver and dumps it in the Gulf of Mexico at the shelf between shallow and deep water. The weight of this huge lobe of sediment is such that it can actually create ripples which lift other parts of the landscape. Like a seesaw, when one end sinks down, the other end of the board rises. Great news if you are on the "updip" side of the seesaw's fulcrum -- but bad news if you are on the sinking side. And New Orleans, McCulloh believes, is on the wrong side of the hinge zone." Sounds like the people of NO are more stubborn than the folks born in Western NY that won't move to get away from bad winters.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Club officials DENIED a report Benson was strongly leaning toward relocating the franchise here permanently. Of course not. Why move to San Antonio when you can move your club to LA and make it worth twice as much almost immediately?
Dr. Fong Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 No matter what ends up happening with the franchise this is simply the wrong time for them to be discussing this.
Steven in MD Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Any relocation of the team would require approval of the owners. I doubt that any owner would vote to move the team at this time. It is about PR. Maybe at next years owners meeting.
DieHardFan Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Wow, it's amazing how fast a topic gets off track. Per a CBSSportsline article this am " The Saints said Sunday three options are being considered: LSU's Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, La; the Alamodome in San Antonio; or at the stadiums of all their opponents." As to what has already been decided: " The Saints open Sunday at Carolina, then play at Giants Stadium on a date to be announced. Their third game is at Minnesota, so the first game still in flux is Oct. 2 against Buffalo."
UConn James Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Of course not. Why move to San Antonio when you can move your club to LA and make it worth twice as much almost immediately? 429538[/snapback] And especially b/c the name "Saints" fits right in for the "City of Angels" (in name only). No need to re-name, re-design uniforms, etc.... I don't see this happening this year tho, until/unless there is a solid determination by the powers that be that NO will not be rebuilt or rebuilt to the previous size. Based on what the reality will likely be, a move to LA would be the best business decision the Saints owner could make. Only hang-up would be if they insisted on a new stadium, rather than using the Coliseum, to move there. Not something the city or state can handle.
Dan Gross Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 And especially b/c the name "Saints" fits right in for the "City of Angels" (in name only). No need to re-name, re-design uniforms, etc.... I don't see this happening this year tho, until/unless there is a solid determination by the powers that be that NO will not be rebuilt or rebuilt to the previous size. Based on what the reality will likely be, a move to LA would be the best business decision the Saints owner could make. Only hang-up would be if they insisted on a new stadium, rather than using the Coliseum, to move there. Not something the city or state can handle. 429551[/snapback] I can understand the name possibly fitting, but do you really think a Fleur-de-lis fits with Los Angeles?
cåblelady Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 I can understand the name possibly fitting, but do you really think a Fleur-de-lis fits with Los Angeles? 429554[/snapback] You can make it a Compton Fleur-de-lis and change the colors to blue and red.
Like A Mofo Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Typical E$PN media over reaction...they are probably guessing so in case they are right, THEY can say WE were the first to tell you. How does anyone really know what is going to happen when it comes to anything about New Orleans? Give it a rest media.
SilverNRed Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 And especially b/c the name "Saints" fits right in for the "City of Angels" (in name only). No need to re-name, re-design uniforms, etc.... I don't see this happening this year tho, until/unless there is a solid determination by the powers that be that NO will not be rebuilt or rebuilt to the previous size. Based on what the reality will likely be, a move to LA would be the best business decision the Saints owner could make. Only hang-up would be if they insisted on a new stadium, rather than using the Coliseum, to move there. Not something the city or state can handle. 429551[/snapback] It'd be weird to suddenly have the "Los Angeles Angels" and the "Los Angeles Saints." Maybe they could rename the WNBA team the "Los Angeles Nuns"... People in LA really don't want an NFL team. There are so many people there who are from somewhere else and they appreciate all the out of town games they get on TV. LA basically has 2 baseball teams, 2 basketball teams, and 2 NHL teams, and that doesn't include college sports. I'm not convinced the city really needs the NFL anymore.
UConn James Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 I can understand the name possibly fitting, but do you really think a Fleur-de-lis fits with Los Angeles? 429554[/snapback] Does/Did the Charlotte Hornets logo fit when they moved to NO (and now, who knows where they go; kind of the gypsies of the NBA) or the Jazz fit in Utah? I know LA isn't French-ish Cajun, and it's certainly up to the owner, but I would want to see it kept in tribute. Where does the big Mardi Gras go with the whole diaspora going on -- there's not one set place where everyone is going to. Despite all the troublesome goings-on with that, I think quite a few cities would clamor for that kind of economic draw and "rebuild" NO's image, or maybe just the whole of Bourbon Street.
KnightRider Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Semantics. They should have NOT built in areas below sea level and at least not without levees that could withstand the most severe of hurricanes. I can understand originally not building them to withstand greater than Cat. 3 hurricanes (as they did), but there have been enough close shaves in the past to have undertaken strengthening/rebuilding of the levees and it was never done, mostly because of lack of funding and/or foresight. Well now look at it. It's a pity. 429517[/snapback] Actually it was the levees that caused the city to sink. The floods would deposit sediment to maintain the elevation. It has been sinking into the gulf ever since... At least that was what they were saying 20 years ago when I was there. If it we up to me, I would find a Venice-type solution. Tourism was a big industry anyway...
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