ExiledInIllinois Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Why even bother? Most people here couldn't accept it as fact if it conflicted with their preconceived notions anyway. 428179[/snapback] Come on CTM. People aren't disbuting that. I wonder if he will be able to get water to people last Tuesday? I think Bib is really that talented and special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Pushing aside my caustic tone. Good Luck Bib! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 I have no doubt whatsoever that hundreds of things went wrong. I hope to know more Tuesday night. Part of the reason for my visit is to gather lessons learned so I can apply them to another interagency effort going on. I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around. I doubt anyone will get any praise. A lady friend of mine is an Army Helicopter pilot flying relief down there right now. I'm pretty sure they are already exausted, and I hope that not too many crash before it's over with. I still put the start of this snowball at the city government of NO. There is absolutely no reason why they could not have executed an adequate evacuation plan. Had they done so, a heck of a lot of the rest of this wouldn't even be discussed. IMO, I don't think anyone in government fully understood that NO still had several thousands of people in it for quite a while after the fact. That shouldn't have been the case. IMO, there was a big "holy shidt" from a lot of quarters. The city government folded and panicked. I think a lot of things in place had to get shuffled and redone on the fly. If you look at the numbers that have been rescued and evacuated over the last week, then look at the video of the masses still standing around, it doesn't paint a pretty picture. There's been breakdowns up and down the chain, but it starts there. 428580[/snapback] I agree with you almost 100%. It starts with the NO local gov't, but someone from FEMA who worked with them during their hurricane Pam simulation should have realized that what the local gov't had was up to wasn't going to cut it. By the way, best of luck to you down there. I'm sure you will do some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 I agree with you almost 100%. It starts with the NO local gov't, but someone from FEMA who worked with them during their hurricane Pam simulation should have realized that what the local gov't had was up to wasn't going to cut it. By the way, best of luck to you down there. I'm sure you will do some good. 428711[/snapback] And, someone at FEMA approved their plan or at least approved the State's plan who was supposed to approve the county plan. The after actions/lessons learned from this is going to read like the Britannica. I'm wondering if they had something doable, and just didn't execute it? I'm still bothered by the sight of city busses under water. And, I'm not going down there, I'm going to Colorado Springs, NORTHCOM operations center. By no means am I roughing it. Radisson and maybe with a little luck a warm cowgirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 What makes you think Bib's firsthand observations would be any more or less biased than Shepard Smith's or Anderson Cooper's. No offense Bib. 428306[/snapback] BiB's got a little more experience at emergency planning than Shep or Cooper, for starters. Doesn't help much when you don't understand what is and is not possible, but still have to talk like you do. And in Shep's case, it doesn't help much that he's a total idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 BiB's got a little more experience at emergency planning than Shep or Cooper, for starters. Doesn't help much when you don't understand what is and is not possible, but still have to talk like you do. And in Shep's case, it doesn't help much that he's a total idiot. 428758[/snapback] Besides Bib's pay is not directly proportional to how convincingly he can sensationalize a situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Besides Bib's pay is not directly proportional to how convincingly he can sensationalize a situation... 428760[/snapback] And credibility. The more Shep sensationalizes, the more his ratings go up, and the more his marketing staff crows about his knowledge and skills because so many people "turn to" him for "information". Sad, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I admit that I am tempted to, but the bottom line is no. I think the Local, State and Federal gov't all have failed these people regardless of what color they are. One part where I think you can question race's role is around the perception of looting. I don't know if it's true (haven't bothered to prove it one way or the other), but I do wonder if there's some truth to the media reporting black people as looters, and whites as looking for food. Is there anything really different about someone breaking into walmart, taking shoes, clothing, and food to help their family, and a doctor breaking into the pharmacy to take medicine? Both can be considered looting, but the doctor will get praised for helping people where as the other person is condemend even if all they are doing is helping their family survive. I have no sympathy for the guys taking tv's though. That is looting. I also think this is much more about class than race. If you look at the people who did stay, you have to wonder if they had any means of getting out when they called for a mandatory evacuation. To me, it's pretty sad that we have people living in that kind of poverty at all. I'm not a socialist by any means, but we are the richest nation in the world, and we have billions of dollars to help other countries, yet we still have pathetic living conditions in this country. 428364[/snapback] Eryn - You asked me what my thoughts were, figured you'd at least respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Eryn - You asked me what my thoughts were, figured you'd at least respond. 429430[/snapback] Sorry, Damn kids wanted my attention. I kid. I liked your post Al, Thanks for responding to my question. I read your response and didnt think there was a need for me to respond to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Sorry, Damn kids wanted my attention. I kid. I liked your post Al, Thanks for responding to my question. I read your response and didnt think there was a need for me to respond to anything. 429535[/snapback] I too have the kids running around like some "stirring pot!" My daughter is Lily... I say to my wife: Like Lily (Willie) Loman, "Attention must be paid!" (ie: Death Of A Salesman ~ A. Miller) Watch out you are being brought to the middle... Tell you what... Bring me down to the hurricane states and in my whacky methodology I have the whole zone riding the motha out high and dry. Okay... This is a line of sh--, no need to tell me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I too have the kids running around like some "stirring pot!" My daughter is Lily... I say to my wife: Like Lily (Willie) Loman, "Attention must be paid!" (ie: Death Of A Salesman ~ A. Miller) Watch out you are being brought to the middle... Tell you what... Bring me down to the hurricane states and in my whacky methodology I have the whole zone riding the motha out high and dry. Okay... This is a line of sh--, no need to tell me! 429812[/snapback] Hey wild man Day off? You'd be suprised how central I am. Didnt you see the shiit I caught on the Terry Shiavio story? Also, I've never voiced my opinons on Abortion here either. Some things I wont discuss here. You've been warned.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Hey wild man Day off? You'd be suprised how central I am. Didnt you see the shiit I caught on the Terry Shiavio story? Also, I've never voiced my opinons on Abortion here either. Some things I wont discuss here. You've been warned.............. 429879[/snapback] No... I am working today... Save Labor Day for the bureaucrats. I'm hot... This has been a letdown sometime coming. It is about functional obsolescence. I guess you are right... But, somebody's got to stand up for what is right. You can tell my ire is pointed directly at a certain organization I know all too well. I am just a wage grade employee cutting through all the bs... They would be better served getting rid of all us type (me), then there would be no direct ties to the organization. By contracting out these low level jobs... Who is gonna complain when they run roughshod over you the American people? The career track bureaucrat. Instead of the Teddy Bear's having their picnic, it can be: Bureaucrat's Picnic If you go out in the woods today You're sure of a big surprise. If you go out in the woods today You'd better go in disguise. For every bureaucrat that ever there was Will gather there for certain, because Today's the day the bureaucrats have their picnic. Picnic time for bureaucrats, The little bureaucrats are having a lovely time today. Watch them, catch them unawares, And see them picnic on their holiday. See them gaily dance about. They love to play and shout. And never have any cares. At six o'clock their mommies and daddies Will take them home to bed Because they're tired little bureaucrats. If you go out in the woods today, You'd better not go alone. It's lovely out in the woods today, But safer to stay at home. For every bureaucrat that ever there was Will gather there for certain, because Today's the day the bureaucrats have their picnic CHORUS Every bureaucrat, that's been good Is sure of a treat today There's lots of wonderful things to eat And wonderful games to play Beneath the trees, where nobody sees They'll hide and seek as long as they please Today's the day the bureaucrats have their picnic CHORUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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