TravelingDad48 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Interesting comments from people ... who i doubt many have spent time in NO. I have been there a number of times for work, have been to Metairie, which is right at the end of the 26 mile bridge that crosses that Lake who's levee that failed. I remember sitting in a 3rd floor contrence room and looking out across the top of the lake about 2 feet below me. I asked were you not afraid the levee would ever fail. The comment was if a BIg one ever hit people knew to get out of the city as it was a real possibility. I was amazed. We worry about some snow and ice and they were looking at miles of water like it was no big deal. Talk about having ones head buried in the sand ! Its almost as amazing to read this news story ... "Tropical storms may be growing in overall intensity due to human-induced global warming, according to a new study by leading hurricane researcher Kerry Emanuel. His report, which has generated controversy among climate specialists, was published earlier this month in the journal Nature. Emanuel looked comprehensively at storm data since the mid-1970s and concluded that the destructive power of hurricanes has nearly doubled over the past three decades at least partially because of human-induced global warming. Critics of the study say hurricanes are not intensifying and that the cause of the rising ocean temperature is natural, not human-made. " Gee why let the facts get in the way !!! If one looks at the actual numbers, the number of catagory 3,4 and 5 storms has actual reduced over the years where the high was in the 1940's ... I guess global warming caused that !! Here is the chart "Another way of looking at this subject is considering the number of major (catagory 3 or above) landfalling hurricanes in the US. These data do not suffer from the drawback of missing smaller storms or under rating due to missing of the moment of maximum intensity (for the older data). Their strength at the moment of landfall is precisely known. This gives rise to the following overview: period Number of major landfalling hurricanes Cat. 3 Cat. 4 Cat.5 Total 1891 - 1900 5 1 6 1901 - 1910 5 1 6 1911 - 1920 3 2 5 1921 - 1930 3 2 5 1931 - 1940 6 1 1 8 1941 - 1950 9 1 10 1951 - 1960 5 3 8 1961 - 1970 4 1 1 6 1971 - 1980 4 4 1981 - 1990 3 1 4 1991 - 2000 3 1 4 Here is the link for those interested .. http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/atlhur.html Watched the news last night and listed to the general of the Army Corp of Engineers. They could if they wanted close the levee today. Its 70% closed already but they want a way for the water to escape. If another storm was to appear they are ready to close the opening. They do have a major concern of the condition of the "dry" side of the levee;s now that they have been under water, that if they get rid of the water they may fail due to the soil being already soaked. If anyone can figure a fix to that, those guys can. My last thoughts ... I don't think we have yet felt the true effects of what has happened in NO. NO is one of the largest shipping ports in the US and feeds the Mississippi. It handles not only food, manufactured goods but oil and gas. The ripple effect of that will effect food prices and the economy for the whole nation. Rebuilding the city is almost second to being sure that is fixed first. Of course where do the workers come from? Its a mess. Hindsight is always 20/20. Especially by people who never did anything to help address the issues earlier. Thank god I live in western NY ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I don't know. Levees really aren't my thing seeing as how I've never lived in a city where my life depended on them. I imagine the people who live in and run NO would or should have some idea though... Here, I'll save you time and post your reply for you: 427751[/snapback] CTM answered that question. My point was that through the years the Corps has been the predominant place to go. Don't get me wrong... NO is still the blame... But, the whole circle leads back to the Corps. They do what they want and control what they want. That may have been changing. But, now we have dire results. I fear now we will all be thrown back into their "super God status." Is there any way to bring the Corps down from its "Ivory Tower?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 NO government and individuals clearly bear a lot or the lead blame for this. However, the idea that this releases others from their obligations to do the job they voluntarily took is wrong. NO and its stakeholders get the blame, but also the LA Giovernor and various state parties and the Prez and various federal parties deserve and get a substantial share of the blame for not doing the job well (or at all in some cases) they pledged to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 NO government and individuals clearly bear a lot or the lead blame for this. However, the idea that this releases others from their obligations to do the job they voluntarily took is wrong. NO and its stakeholders get the blame, but also the LA Giovernor and various state parties and the Prez and various federal parties deserve and get a substantial share of the blame for not doing the job well (or at all in some cases) they pledged to do. 429028[/snapback] Here's an interesting article. It's from NewsMax, so be forewarned. However, the article seems to be well-researched and documents New Orleans' own civil emergency plan. No matter what happens, or who the President is, one party or the other will blame him for not doing his job effectively and quickly. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonz Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Best video clip of all : To protect and serve...Wait, let me get some shoes first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Evacuation Vehicles Forget any of the text, unless you feel like reading it. This picture says a thousand words. Well, damage has been done. It's all Bush's fault, so let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Evacuation Vehicles Forget any of the text, unless you feel like reading it. This picture says a thousand words. Well, damage has been done. It's all Bush's fault, so let's move on. 429622[/snapback] Nadin doesn't care about black people. Good find, the New Orleans and Louisiana emergency plans are linked in down below... Plenty of "future plans" in the NO one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Nadin doesn't care about black people. Good find, the New Orleans and Louisiana emergency plans are linked in down below... Plenty of "future plans" in the NO one... 429656[/snapback] Funniest thing I heard Nagin say was something like "I don't know if it's the governor or the President, but someone has to take control and get things in order down here." In other words, "I don't know whose fault it is, but it's not mine." The guy is scum. He makes Buffalo's leaders look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Funniest thing I heard Nagin say was something like "I don't know if it's the governor or the President, but someone has to take control and get things in order down here." In other words, "I don't know whose fault it is, but it's not mine." The guy is scum. He makes Buffalo's leaders look good. 429788[/snapback] True. Local capabilites broke down and they became overwhelmed. Were was the calvary? The Federal Reponse Plan (FRP) addresses this. It DOESN'T question the state and local plans. Not say that their plan sucked... It did. Still where was the calvary? We know where most of the La. National Guard was. That falls under they state, they to became quickly overwhelmed and their capablitites broke down. Again where was the calvary? Any football team has a plan for an emergency punter or QB's. I would be totally with the fedaral apologists here if things went smoothly with the FRP. It didn't. sh-- rolls up hill in this case. The whole "ARMY" was comprimised because the cav was watering their horses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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