stuckincincy Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Plenty of agriculture in LA, MS, and AL. Plenty of crop duster planes. Dust with tear gas. Wadda ya think?
dib Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Hunter killer teams on roof tops. Spotter/sniper with a Barrett. Let the food/water go, shoot anyone looting money/jewelry, etc.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Hunter killer teams on roof tops. Spotter/sniper with a Barrett. Let the food/water go, shoot anyone looting money/jewelry, etc. 425654[/snapback] Let the money/jewelry go too. Shoot anyone with a gun. Those are the people disrupting the relief efforts. That may be what it has to come down to.
Britbillsfan Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Let the money/jewelry go too. Shoot anyone with a gun. Those are the people disrupting the relief efforts. That may be what it has to come down to. 425656[/snapback] Anyone with a gun, what about those defending their property?
slothrop Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 What do you want to bet that most of the "looting" is for water, food, diapers and necessities! I would be looting too since aid has not reached these folks! Survival instincts take over. (footnote: I am sure there are some people taking advantage of the situation - but the vast majority are acting out of desperation to survive.) The lead story should not be "looting," rather it should be where the hell is the FEMA plan? Where are the National Guard troops? How do we usher the aid into people in an orderly fashion.
eball Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Anyone with a gun, what about those defending their property? 425673[/snapback] what property?
stuckincincy Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 Anyone with a gun, what about those defending their property? 425673[/snapback] Forget 'em. The courts will lock them up and throw away the key, just like in Britain
JinVA Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 How do we usher the aid into people in an orderly fashion. 425675[/snapback] You can't. When they issued a mandatory evacuation, they are basicaly saying, we may not be able to help you once the storm hits. Thats why they do it.
slothrop Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 You can't. When they issued a mandatory evacuation, they are basicaly saying, we may not be able to help you once the storm hits. Thats why they do it. 425684[/snapback] Admitedly I may be reaching - but I can't help but draw a comparison to the cluster F*&^ that occurred after we invaded Bagdad. There was no plan to restore order, usher in aid, or help the injured. Here, we knew for decades that a major hurricane striking New ORleans could cause these problems. In fact the Army Corps of Engineers were planning to create a levee system that would withstand a Category 5 storm, but the Fed Govt. gutted that program (that is another story). Yet, there was not a "worse case senerio" plan to be executed? That is FEMA's job (and now the Department of Homeland Security in teh case of a large scale attack). Where was the plan? It is an honest question that must be answered. It is too early to ask it now in any official capacity because now we have to fix the mistakes on the fly. But after things settle down (whenever that may be) someone better answer these questions.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Anyone with a gun, what about those defending their property? 425673[/snapback] Hell with them. The city needs to be evacuated completely, people are dying because it's not being evacuated, it's not being evacuated because crowd control is impossible and armed gangs are interfering...shoot anyone who's armed. Hell, suspend posse comitatus for the next ten days and shoot anyone who's armed. If someone's defending their property...bad luck, but if they had the good sense to evacuate like everyone should be required to do, they wouldn't get shot. I'm not saying it's a pleasant decision...but it's not a pleasant situation. A lot of people are going to die if they don't get out, and people are hindering that. You can either ask "pretty please with sugar" and watch 50k people rot to death in a swamp, or you can do what's required to save as many as you can. New Orleans, right now, at this moment, is dead. Period. It's a pure, bare-bones survival situation, and survival is a nasty process. I don't particularly LIKE the idea of shooting everyone who gets in the way...don't like it at all, frankly. But I can live with it a hell of a lot easier than the alternative.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 The lead story should not be "looting," rather it should be where the hell is the FEMA plan? Where are the National Guard troops? How do we usher the aid into people in an orderly fashion. 425675[/snapback] You don't. NO is shattered. You can't get aid to the people, you have to get the people to the aid. Therein lies the problem: 1) it's bass-ackwards to how aid usually works, so no one's really prepared for it. "There's no precedent" is probably an exaggeration...but there's damned little, for sure. I doubt there's any real institutionalized experience at it. And 2) the people who need the aid are interfering with any attempts at distribution or evacuation in an orderly fashion. Can't blame them, really...but that's what's happening now.
Ramius Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 seriously, they need to adpot a shoot-first ask questions later policy...its the onyl way to save thousands, or else the few with guns and such are gonna cost the lives of many others by preventing their evacuation...
stuckincincy Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 and watch 50k people rot to death in a swamp, 425700[/snapback] Yes. There's plenty of history to be quite sure that a pandemic is incipient. Happens after every sub-continent tragedy.
PTS Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Plenty of agriculture in LA, MS, and AL. Plenty of crop duster planes. Dust with tear gas. Wadda ya think? 425647[/snapback] You sick bastard, these are American people we are talking about. Rapes, murders, and robbings being reported in plain sight in downtown New Orleans. That being said, you're right on! I'd consider some of these people "terrorists" and they should be dealt like ones.
jarthur31 Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 What do you want to bet that most of the "looting" is for water, food, diapers and necessities! I would be looting too since aid has not reached these folks! Survival instincts take over. (footnote: I am sure there are some people taking advantage of the situation - but the vast majority are acting out of desperation to survive.) The lead story should not be "looting," rather it should be where the hell is the FEMA plan? Where are the National Guard troops? How do we usher the aid into people in an orderly fashion. 425675[/snapback] The sad thing is the national government rarely does anything preemptively. They should've prepared for this days before the hurricane hit. I'm not worried about the looting. If those people are stealing just material things, they're gonna die soon w/o food and water. And even deciding to wade through diseased water is stupid because of greed is dangerous. Again, you have to wonder why these people didn't evacuate? A false alarm anyone can live with. That lasts only a few hours. Death on the other hand is forever.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 The sad thing is the national government rarely does anything preemptively. They should've prepared for this days before the hurricane hit. 425741[/snapback] Christ. We just HAD this argument. Do you people ever read? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=425685
stuckincincy Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 Admitedly I may be reaching - but I can't help but draw a comparison to the cluster F*&^ that occurred after we invaded Bagdad. There was no plan to restore order, usher in aid, or help the injured. Here, we knew for decades that a major hurricane striking New ORleans could cause these problems. In fact the Army Corps of Engineers were planning to create a levee system that would withstand a Category 5 storm, but the Fed Govt. gutted that program (that is another story). Yet, there was not a "worse case senerio" plan to be executed? That is FEMA's job (and now the Department of Homeland Security in teh case of a large scale attack). Where was the plan? It is an honest question that must be answered. It is too early to ask it now in any official capacity because now we have to fix the mistakes on the fly. But after things settle down (whenever that may be) someone better answer these questions. 425692[/snapback] You'd do well to spend a little bit of time looking up about the 30-year history of levee improvements, and the local and congressional delegation opposition...
jarthur31 Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Christ. We just HAD this argument. Do you people ever read? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=425685 425745[/snapback] No, some of us are illiterate. BTW, not all of us live on this board and take stock in EVERYTHING that's shared here.
kota Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 The people have to leave. It is much easier to get the people out then it is to get water, food, and proper bathrooms with running water to them.
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