boomerjamhead Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 It's nice to see another environmental expert chime in and fan the flames hatred. At one point I thought this was an attempt at satire, but I'm not so sure anymore. I highly doubt that the enviromentalists could possibly see any satire in this, so why should I? I especially like the Pat Robertson reference (see last week's headlines) as he is no icon of mine. As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf Coast, it’s worth recalling the central role that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2. Well, the science is clear. This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming. Now we are all learning what it’s like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children. In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast. “For They That Sow the Wind Shall Reap the Whirlwind”
UConn James Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 The link is stalling out for me, but I would think he's referring to the crop of I-don't-see-a-problem politicians and the hard-data studies that show the atmospheric CO2 has gone into the ocean at a startling rate. Liquified oxygen levels have dropped and the CO2 is causing the ocean's temperatures to rise. Who knows by how much, but whale migratory patterns are pretty telling, and they've had to go far out of the normal path to find the cold waters they need. Hurricanes feed off of warm water. That's why they build up strength in open water and lose power the further they get inland. It follows therefore that rising water temps lead to stronger hurricanes.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Hurricanes feed off of warm water. That's why they build up strength in open water and lose power the further they get inland. It follows therefore that rising water temps lead to stronger hurricanes. 424365[/snapback] But not deterministically. Lots of people are saying that this hurricane was caused by global warming. That's just stupid - worse, it's a transparent attempt at using a horrible tragedy to push an agenda.
UConn James Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 But not deterministically. Lots of people are saying that this hurricane was caused by global warming. That's just stupid - worse, it's a transparent attempt at using a horrible tragedy to push an agenda. 424463[/snapback] Katrina was so bad b/c of it's path. It was able to recharge over the Gulf. But following from the hard data, hurricanes in general will be getting more frequent and stronger. Bobby Jr. could have explained the science a bit fuller, and I'm not sure that now was the best time to bring it up (tho, when is a good time?).
Wacka Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 The science is that this is NORMAL. The has been a dearth of hurricanes hitting the US from 1970-95. Three years had no hurricanes making landfall at all. OF course 1970 was before you were born, so it didn't happen. This is just the natural cycle swinging back to the way it was.
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Katrina was so bad b/c of it's path. It was able to recharge over the Gulf. But following from the hard data, hurricanes in general will be getting more frequent and stronger. Bobby Jr. could have explained the science a bit fuller, and I'm not sure that now was the best time to bring it up (tho, when is a good time?). 424470[/snapback] Since when do we let hard data get involved in science. Hurricanes must be part of the Intelligent Design to rid the Gulf Coast of Casinos and all of the fornicators in NO.
OGTEleven Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 The link is stalling out for me, but I would think he's referring to the crop of I-don't-see-a-problem politicians and the hard-data studies that show the atmospheric CO2 has gone into the ocean at a startling rate. Liquified oxygen levels have dropped and the CO2 is causing the ocean's temperatures to rise. Who knows by how much, but whale migratory patterns are pretty telling, and they've had to go far out of the normal path to find the cold waters they need. Hurricanes feed off of warm water. That's why they build up strength in open water and lose power the further they get inland. It follows therefore that rising water temps lead to stronger hurricanes. 424365[/snapback] And the solution to this problem is to implement worldwide socialism. It will solve all of our problems and provide us with endless forms of "green" energy. We can all skip merrily though the woods of shangri-la. How wonderful it will be.
UConn James Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 And the solution to this problem is to implement worldwide socialism. It will solve all of our problems and provide us with endless forms of "green" energy. We can all skip merrily though the woods of shangri-la. How wonderful it will be. 425325[/snapback] At this point, acknowledgment that there is a problem would be a big step for a lot of world leaders, ours included. I don't have visions of granduer here, but it would be something for President Bush to issue a direct challenge to America, like Kennedy did for landing on the moon, for an issue that is increasingly becoming the most important in our time and the time to come. We like to meet a challenge with a known beneficial result, and this is an area where virtually every American agrees; now is the time to lead. I see you've inherited AD's mantle, only his putdowns were good.
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 At this point, acknowledgment that there is a problem would be a big step for a lot of world leaders, ours included. I don't have visions of granduer here, but it would be something for President Bush to issue a direct challenge to America, like Kennedy did for landing on the moon, for an issue that is increasingly becoming the most important in our time and the time to come. We like to meet a challenge with a known beneficial result, and this is an area where virtually every American agrees; now is the time to lead. I see you've inherited AD's mantle, only his putdowns were good. 425342[/snapback] The problem is that you will always find a few scientists with a dissenting view. Those will be the "experts" that this administration drags out to support doing nothing. On a related note, I was just reading yesterday how there is now evidence that the ozone layer has stopped shrinking which they attribute to the ban on CFC's in the 90's. The same could happen with greenhouse gasses if certain countries would get involved in setting aggressive standards.
stuckincincy Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Hyannisport has lovely weather. I'd like to live there and drink scotch.
boomerjamhead Posted September 1, 2005 Author Posted September 1, 2005 Since when do we let hard data get involved in science. Hurricanes must be part of the Intelligent Design to rid the Gulf Coast of Casinos and all of the fornicators in NO. 425172[/snapback] Yeah, because hurricanes didn't exist until the industrial revolution.
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