1billsfan Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 that has gone more under the radar? From what I hear we have a very good crop of non-starting linebackers and I was just wondering if Posey is a player that at least should be hearing footsteps from one of these guys. I'm not saying I have a major problem with Jeff Posey. It's just that I don't remember him as making any game turning plays. I look at all the other defensive starters and I can at least make a highlight reel of them making game turning plays. So I pose this question, how good is Jeff Posey and do we possibly have a better player on our bench? Then again, I could be totally off-base even questioning his talent, I just can't get a read on this guy. Any Posey fans out there that can enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 that has gone more under the radar? From what I hear we have a very good crop of non-starting linebackers and I was just wondering if Posey is a player that at least should be hearing footsteps from one of these guys. I'm not saying I have a major problem with Jeff Posey. It's just that I don't remember him as making any game turning plays. I look at all the other defensive starters and I can at least make a highlight reel of them making game turning plays. So I pose this question, how good is Jeff Posey and do we possibly have a better player on our bench? Then again, I could be totally off-base even questioning his talent, I just can't get a read on this guy. Any Posey fans out there that can enlighten me? 417624[/snapback] I am not enough of a football expert to know, but what i do know is that I respect Jerry Gray, and he seems to think Posey is the best option we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Not really a Posey fan per se, but I think he needs to stay put for the sake of team chemistry. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That said, I believe that of the longtime starters, he has to be in the most danger of losing his starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 This guy was supposed to be our pass rushing specialist at LB - at least that's what one would believe from all the press he got off that 8 sack season in Houston. That said, the only sacks this guy gets nowadays are a result of running the QB out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage or falling onto of the QB after he's already tripped over his own feet. But, I've nothing against him. As the previous poster said, I trust Jerry Gray's evaluation process and judgment. If he and his teammates think he's doing the job, he must be I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 ...for the sake of team chemistry.417639[/snapback] because 2 years ago when we we ended up the #2 defense, our defensive players had spent a ton of time playing together.... especially the linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 because 2 years ago when we we ended up the #2 defense, our defensive players had spent a ton of time playing together.... especially the linebackers. 417641[/snapback] Just about everyone on the current defense has said they believe they can be better than the past two years because of the fact that they are returning 10 of the 11 starters from last season. The importance of keeping the unit intact is something the players are claiming. Oh, and remeber that defense you mentioned had a very difficult time creating turnovers. Last year, after having played a full season together, they created a ton of turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Given how solid this defense has been, there aren't many positions that scream out for upgrading. If I was trying to improve it however, Posey's is one position that would get my attention as a possible upgrade. I'm just not sure where else you would go to try and improve the team in terms of defensive starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 This guy was supposed to be our pass rushing specialist at LB - at least that's what one would believe from all the press he got off that 8 sack season in Houston. That said, the only sacks this guy gets nowadays are a result of running the QB out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage or falling onto of the QB after he's already tripped over his own feet. But, I've nothing against him. As the previous poster said, I trust Jerry Gray's evaluation process and judgment. If he and his teammates think he's doing the job, he must be I guess. 417640[/snapback] 3-4 rush LB in Houston, 4-3 LB here. That's part of it. Simon will tell you about all the things he does wrong, and I respect Simon's knowledge of the game. Could we upgrade the position? Perhaps. Could we do it and still stay under the cap? Not so sure about that. Posey has made a few big plays here, though... 2003: -Led the Bills with 4 forced fumbles, and finished second on the team in sacks (5.5) to Schobel. -One of those FF was a sack/strip of David Carr in the Texans' end zone; if Big Sam had managed to recover that ball, the Bills probably win that game. As it was, Buffalo got a safety out of the play. -He also had a sack/strip on Billy Volek that Pat Williams returned for a TD vs. the Titans. 2004: -His only INT in a Bills uniform stopped the Jets from icing the game in the Meadowswamp; their first TD drive in that game immediately followed his pick. Three potentially game-changing plays, out of 32 games. (Not a good ratio, I'll admit.) But if even one of those games had ended up in a Bills victory, the general impression of Posey might be a tad more favorable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Given how solid this defense has been, there aren't many positions that scream out for upgrading. If I was trying to improve it however, Posey's is one position that would get my attention as a possible upgrade. I'm just not sure where else you would go to try and improve the team in terms of defensive starters. 417659[/snapback] we could be looking for a new starting MLB next year, depending how fletch feels about reducing his cap number that is currently set at around 5M for '06.........TD will not let him play at that figure and i'm not sure he would be offered much of an extension at his age either.......potential cap cut...... and obviously if the bills choose to not resign nate we will be looking at CB's.......no one anywhere close to his talent will be available in free agency (thus driving up his price even more) because teams just don't often let CB's of that quality get to free agency.......clayton or pastabelly had an article on that a few months back talking about the dearth of expected free agent CB talent available next year........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Isn't it possible that Posey is so dependable and does his job well without fanfare that he essentially allows the other players to do what they do best? Posey can likely start on any team in the league but he may be the best Bills D "role player." It's quite possible that even the Bills' stellar 2nd string simply can't do what he can do yet. For all we know, the other players trust him and know he'll do his job every game. He can be an essentially ingredient to make this squad click. But we don't know, and may never know how valuable Posey is to the D. Our only evidence is: a. Posey starts on one of the best Ds in the league. b. There are three quality back-ups who can't even get speculation from team insiders that they have a chance to knock him out this year or even next. c. Insiders or analysts never, ever considered Posey a "weak link" in the Bills D -- or even a position for improvement. d. NE wins year in and year our with role players. Players who simply understand the winning system and do what they need to do to win. Why do the Bills need a "superstar" at Posey's position as well? It's about time Fans start appreciating Posey for his contribution to the league's best D and stop wondering when he'll get replaced. I for one feel better knowing the team wants him in the lineup on every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 Isn't it possible that Posey is so dependable and does his job well without fanfare that he essentially allows the other players to do what they do best? Posey can likely start on any team in the league but he may be the best Bills D "role player." It's quite possible that even the Bills' stellar 2nd string simply can't do what he can do yet. For all we know, the other players trust him and know he'll do his job every game. He can be an essentially ingredient to make this squad click. But we don't know, and may never know how valuable Posey is to the D. Our only evidence is: a. Posey starts on one of the best Ds in the league. b. There are three quality back-ups who can't even get speculation from team insiders that they have a chance to knock him out this year or even next. c. Insiders or analysts never, ever considered Posey a "weak link" in the Bills D -- or even a position for improvement. d. NE wins year in and year our with role players. Players who simply understand the winning system and do what they need to do to win. Why do the Bills need a "superstar" at Posey's position as well? It's about time Fans start appreciating Posey for his contribution to the league's best D and stop wondering when he'll get replaced. I for one feel better knowing the team wants him in the lineup on every down. 417749[/snapback] I'm looking for players that'll knock Brady on his ass. Are we the BEST defense in the league? Probably not. The Eagles, Steelers and Ravens are probably better than the Bill's defense. So that means there's room for improvement. I'll appreciate players that help deliver knockout blows to opposing teams. Posey hasn't been in that category IMO. Look at that kid in Dallas, that is the kind of player I want on defense. A guy who causes all sorts of havok. There's a difference in being one of the best defenses and being a team that is dominating, we aren't there yet and I'm trying to look at why, that's all. I think it's reasonable to bring up Posey's name in terms of how we could elevate this defense. He certainly hasn't lived up to the playmaker type he was billed as when we got him. Who knows, maybe this will be his breakout season. He's been here three years and I know little more about him as a player than when he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I'm looking for players that'll knock Brady on his ass. Are we the BEST defense in the league? Probably not. The Eagles, Steelers and Ravens are probably better than the Bill's defense. So that means there's room for improvement. I'll appreciate players that help deliver knockout blows to opposing teams. Posey hasn't been in that category IMO. Look at that kid in Dallas, that is the kind of player I want on defense. A guy who causes all sorts of havok. There's a difference in being one of the best defenses and being a team that is dominating, we aren't there yet and I'm trying to look at why, that's all. I think it's reasonable to bring up Posey's name in terms of how we could elevate this defense. He certainly hasn't lived up to the playmaker type he was billed as when we got him. Who knows, maybe this will be his breakout season. He's been here three years and I know little more about him as a player than when he got here. 417839[/snapback] Yeah that Dallas kid is almost good as Takeyo Spikes. Too bad the Bills don't have anyone like Spikes on their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 Yeah that Dallas kid is almost good as Takeyo Spikes. Too bad the Bills don't have anyone like Spikes on their team. 417907[/snapback] Oops, my mistake. I didn't realize we're only allowed one havok causing linebacker on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidbuff Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Posey would have been in alot of ESPN highlight reels last year............ However his problem is when he blitzes he does not slow down when the ball is out of the QB's hand and hits him. He get a roughing the paseer penalty...... So hopefully this year when he rushes him he'll slow up and stop giving the offense ofthe other team these F*** penalties.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Hell...if we don't hear anything about him....I guess that is a good thing...unlike his predecessor Eddie Robinson..... ...that play against Pennington still makes me want to hurl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightRider Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 3-4 rush LB in Houston, 4-3 LB here. That's part of it. Simon will tell you about all the things he does wrong, and I respect Simon's knowledge of the game. Could we upgrade the position? Perhaps. Could we do it and still stay under the cap? Not so sure about that. 417683[/snapback] The 4-3 versus 3-4 was what I was thinking, too. Paup's career fizzled because of it when he went to Jax. Posey got more notice in the 3-4 alignment because he played a different roll in Houston's 3-4 alignment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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