The Poojer Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I was watching "The Terminal" on HBO saturday and it pissed me off. Why did Steven Speilberg have to (A)Make this happen in an American Airport, and (B)Feel the need to make the American Official's so heartless, cruel and mean! Why not tell the story the way it happened....In France?????? At the end when the bald American guy went chasing after tom hank's character after he was freed...Damn! Why are we so hell bent on not offending others and all the while making us look like the bad guys? I don't usually get riled up over these knee jerk hollywood types, but this one got to me! OK now back to pre-season analysis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I was watching "The Terminal" on HBO saturday and it pissed me off. Why did Steven Speilberg have to (A)Make this happen in an American Airport, and (B)Feel the need to make the American Official's so heartless, cruel and mean! Why not tell the story the way it happened....In France?????? At the end when the bald American guy went chasing after tom hank's character after he was freed...Damn! Why are we so hell bent on not offending others and all the while making us look like the bad guys? I don't usually get riled up over these knee jerk hollywood types, but this one got to me! OK now back to pre-season analysis! 414122[/snapback] Sadly, Hollywood has become more about pushing their left wing agenda than making entertaining movies. They have little regard or respect for middle America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I was watching "The Terminal" on HBO saturday and it pissed me off. Why did Steven Speilberg have to (A)Make this happen in an American Airport, and (B)Feel the need to make the American Official's so heartless, cruel and mean! Why not tell the story the way it happened....In France?????? At the end when the bald American guy went chasing after tom hank's character after he was freed...Damn! Why are we so hell bent on not offending others and all the while making us look like the bad guys? I don't usually get riled up over these knee jerk hollywood types, but this one got to me! OK now back to pre-season analysis! 414122[/snapback] If it was set in France, would you have watched it? The American public will connect better with the movie shot in an American airport. I do not see it as a political statement, but just marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 stop making sense!!!!!!!! If it was set in France, would you have watched it? The American public will connect better with the movie shot in an American airport. I do not see it as a political statement, but just marketing. 414155[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 stop making sense!!!!!!!! 414159[/snapback] Sorry. I forgot where I was at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Sadly, Hollywood has become more about pushing their left wing agenda than making entertaining movies. They have little regard or respect for middle America. 414149[/snapback] That's just crap, especially if you're talking about that particular film. If anything, Hollywood is just as much led by right-wing values (as in making as much money as you can and pushing large corporations and corporate politics). That film was set in America because (as KRC correctly said) it was an American film made by American filmakers and film companies who thought more Americans would watch Americans in an American city, specifically for your so-called "Middle America", who cares much less about foreign countries than coastal or big city America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I was watching "The Terminal" on HBO saturday and it pissed me off. Why did Steven Speilberg have to (A)Make this happen in an American Airport, and (B)Feel the need to make the American Official's so heartless, cruel and mean! Why not tell the story the way it happened....In France?????? At the end when the bald American guy went chasing after tom hank's character after he was freed...Damn! Why are we so hell bent on not offending others and all the while making us look like the bad guys? I don't usually get riled up over these knee jerk hollywood types, but this one got to me! OK now back to pre-season analysis! 414122[/snapback] When I was watching that film, which IMO sucked in every way (excluding, perhaps, a good performance by Hanks in a thankless role), I was thinking what were Speilberg and Hanks thinking when they decided to make this movie? It was a terribly stagnant story for a film, and much better suited to a two page magazine article than a two hour film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB27 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 1. I am a conservative. 2. I hate France, anything french, even french toast. 3. I didn't see this movie as a slap at US politics. 4. I liked this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I think the main difference between the filmmakers, Hollywood in general (as though there is one Hollywood which moves in lockstep), most of the rest of Amwerica and in contrast the views expressed here and by most of the doctrinaire political types (as often seen on TV which is mostly controlled in Hollywood or that hotbed of conservatism NYC) is that: 1. The right (or left for that matter) wing view seems to assume most people are motivated soley or at least primarily by doctrine and ideology. 2. Most Americans have more complex motivations than simple ideology and if there is one doctrine it is actually to do what makes a lot of money. If it would made the maximum amount of money to set the film in France it would be done. Political correctness has so little to do with this as motivation or some desire to slam the right it isn't even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 specifically for your so-called "Middle America", who cares much less about foreign countries than coastal or big city America. 414166[/snapback] Well since we appear to be in the business of making broad stereotypes... I'd say that Coastal America and Big City America care more about themselves and their own selfish/materialistic desires than any country - foreign or their own. While the Blue States do a lot of general talking and criticizing about foreign policy, the obvious majority of the US military is comprised of Red Staters actually willing to sacrifice their time, security, social life, family, and jobs to help free other countries and peoples who these soldiers have never previously met in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 1. The right (or left for that matter) wing view seems to assume most people are motivated soley or at least primarily by doctrine and ideology. I don't don't think they"are motivated soley or at least primarily by doctrine and ideology", but I do think that they use their movies and other forums where they have a captive audience as a convenient place to insert left wing views. I don't know that it's necessarily a conscious effort. It may be a simple case of their art reflecting their personal values. John Gibson did a special recently talking about this very subject. The movie "The Runaway Jury" was cited as a prime example. In the Grisolm novel, the court case involved a case against the tabacco industry. Hollywood changed it from tabacco to guns. Typical. It also pointed out that there has not been a mainstream movie where a right wing conservative type was portrayed in a positive light or made out to be the hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 to help free other countries and peoples 414189[/snapback] The problem is we simply assume that every country wants to be like the U.S. I understand it is the job of the rich and powerful to help the poor and weak, but many countries think America's economy/values/way of life is far from ideal for them. Regime change means so much more when the citizens rise up and do it on their own for their own reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Most American made movies now make more money in the international market than in the US. With this in mind, the values and other things portrayed, reflect not strictly an American POV, but the sensibilities of the international market. More than a liberal POV, mass market films tend to reflect a market appreciation for the lowest common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I thought the movie was very entertaining. But, then again I liked You Got Served too. I probably wouldn't have bothered with the movie if the setting was in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 The problem is we simply assume that every country wants to be like the U.S. I understand it is the job of the rich and powerful to help the poor and weak, but many countries think America's economy/values/way of life is far from ideal for them. Regime change means so much more when the citizens rise up and do it on their own for their own reasons. 414198[/snapback] Point well taken (I mostly agree with you on this one), but you missed the spirit of my post. I was merely presenting the biased counterargument that could be made by the right to match KTFABD's biased statement on the left. I'm well aware that most political issues are far more complicated than Red State/Blue State, right/left, Reps/Dems, conservative/liberal - especially foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Well since we appear to be in the business of making broad stereotypes... I'd say that Coastal America and Big City America care more about themselves and their own selfish/materialistic desires than any country - foreign or their own. While the Blue States do a lot of general talking and criticizing about foreign policy, the obvious majority of the US military is comprised of Red Staters actually willing to sacrifice their time, security, social life, family, and jobs to help free other countries and peoples who these soldiers have never previously met in their lives. 414189[/snapback] Well, I agree with the first part and disagree with the second part. I am not an army guy but ask them (I may or may not be right about this), I don't think the main reason that kids join the army is really to "sacrifice their time, security, social life, family and jobs to help free other countries and peoples who these soldiers have never previously met in their lives." I think the vast majority of the kids who join the army (be they red or blue staters, conservative or liberal) join the army because they don't know what else they are going to do, get a great training, get a lot of benefits to go to college, learn all kinds of terrific and valuable experience in technology, think it's cool to be able to fire weapons, look at it as a career possibility where they have no others, get a thrill out of the flying and other technologies the army life offers, have a family history in the armed forces, or want to protect America and Americans. I would think that a scant few if any join the army as a 19 or 20 year old strictly because they want to save other countries citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 the obvious majority of the US military is comprised of Red Staters actually willing to sacrifice their time, security, social life, family, and jobs to help free other countries and peoples who these soldiers have never previously met in their lives. 414189[/snapback] Not sure about that, but I have wondered. My own inclination is that it is economic. Rust Belt is getting plenty of recruits. Recruiting by State There are some tables if you scroll down the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I am not an army guy but ask them (I may or may not be right about this), I don't think the main reason that kids join the army is really to "sacrifice their time, security, social life, family and jobs to help free other countries and peoples who these soldiers have never previously met in their lives." 414240[/snapback] I do not think that is the main reason either, but they are aware of the fact that they will be deployed and may need to fight in a war. Signing up for military service means you are involved in military actions, regardless of where the action is located and how intense that action may be. Granted, there are some who just expected free travel and education and did not actually expect that being in the military actually means doing military-type stuff, but there is no way to avoid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 I do not think that is the main reason either, but they are aware of the fact that they will be deployed and may need to fight in a war. Signing up for military service means you are involved in military actions, regardless of where the action is located and how intense that action may be. Granted, there are some who just expected free travel and education and did not actually expect that being in the military actually means doing military-type stuff, but there is no way to avoid that. 414263[/snapback] True, but how many that actually do do it knowing that they might have to fight in a war are doing it because they want to save foreign countries' citizens as the prime motivator as Kelso's Helmut suggested, as opposed to just protecting America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 True, but how many that actually do do it knowing that they might have to fight in a war are doing it because they want to save foreign countries' citizens as the prime motivator as Kelso's Helmut suggested, as opposed to just protecting America. 414274[/snapback] Just my opinion, but I think it is to protect America first. Protecting America might involve saving foreign citizens, removing murderous dictators, etc, but the main motiviation is to do those things in an effort to protect America and her interests. Again, this is just my opinion and not based on first-hand knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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