Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 interesting pov 414048[/snapback] It's the op-ed page of the NYT, so it must be God's Honest Truth.
blzrul Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 There would be one way to defuse Cindy Sheehan. Send out Laura Bush. Everyone loves Laura. One sympathetic mother to another. What a heartwarming photo-op. I wonder why that hasn't happened? Maybe even the Bushistas realize that it doesn't look good that their kids don't support the war (they're not serving are they?) and that Laura wouldn't be able to defend that position. Maybe they asked and Laura said now. It wouldn't be the first time she didn't agree with her husband's policies, If Bush didn't insist on 5-week vacations at Crawford it wouldn't be a big deal. He'll leave and then she'll go do DC where she'll get lost amongst the myriad other protest groups outside the WH.
Buckey Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 There would be one way to defuse Cindy Sheehan. Send out Laura Bush. Everyone loves Laura. One sympathetic mother to another. What a heartwarming photo-op. I wonder why that hasn't happened? Maybe even the Bushistas realize that it doesn't look good that their kids don't support the war (they're not serving are they?) and that Laura wouldn't be able to defend that position. Maybe they asked and Laura said now. It wouldn't be the first time she didn't agree with her husband's policies, If Bush didn't insist on 5-week vacations at Crawford it wouldn't be a big deal. He'll leave and then she'll go do DC where she'll get lost amongst the myriad other protest groups outside the WH. 414366[/snapback] They won't let Bush even answer a non scripted question, or Dems into any of his appreances, or protesters within 2 miles of him... so what makes anyone think that George would meet with this woman?
PastaJoe Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 They should send Laura out and have her tell Cindy if and how hard they're trying to get the Bush daughters to sign up for the military since George and Laura believe the Iraq invasion was the right thing to do.
KD in CA Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 They should send Laura out and have her tell Cindy if and how hard they're trying to get the Bush daughters to sign up for the military since George and Laura believe the Iraq invasion was the right thing to do. 414401[/snapback] It's amazing how many people are still to stupid too understand the concept of the 'volunteer' military. See, legal adults are allowed to make their own decisions, regardless of what their parents might think.
BillsFanNC Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 It's amazing how many people are still to stupid too understand the concept of the 'volunteer' military. See, legal adults are allowed to make their own decisions, regardless of what their parents might think. 414414[/snapback] Not too amazing actually. There are a lot of people that are willing to conveniently forget the definitions of simple words if by doing so it allows them an opportunity to scream "BUSH BAD!" for the zillionth time.
Reuben Gant Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 There would be one way to defuse Cindy Sheehan. Send out Laura Bush. Everyone loves Laura. One sympathetic mother to another. What a heartwarming photo-op. I wonder why that hasn't happened? 414366[/snapback] Interesting idea. But now, any reaction by Bush to this protest will be interpreted as weakness and a lack of resolve. First Ladies are usually popular because they rarely act and in this case it is better for her not to because it is likely to be interpreted most cynically. The best move Bush could make at this point is simply recognize their right to their opinions and send them vegetarian pizzas, and when asked about it say, "Well, pizza is one thing I think most Americans can agree upon."
UConn James Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 It's amazing how many people are still to stupid too understand the concept of the 'volunteer' military. See, legal adults are allowed to make their own decisions, regardless of what their parents might think. 414414[/snapback] At a family party yesterday, my brother in the Guard asked me if I was getting calls from recruiters in the past few months and laughing about it like a practical joke. The soldiers are being required (and they are chewed out big time if they don't) to give recruiters a certain quota of people they can then call and deliver their pitch to. I got a few calls on my answering machine along the lines of "Hey, we talked to you and we've got your information all set to go. Come down and sign the papers." And I'm like, " Do I know you?" This was shortly after their "stand down" day that didn't change anything. The things they're doing just to be able to call it an all volunteer military (as if 'Hey, they signed up for it' is an excuse for when ordering them into the depths of Hell) get pretty skeevy.
UConn James Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 The best move Bush could make at this point is simply recognize their right to their opinions and send them vegetarian pizzas, and when asked about it say, "Well, pizza is one thing I think most Americans can agree upon." 414434[/snapback] Deep dish or thin crust? Extra cheese or double toppings? Lots of disagreement, even in pizza. Maybe he should go the route of LabattBlue's(?) sig line and sign an executive order for Free Blow Job Day.
KD in CA Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 At a family party yesterday, my brother in the Guard asked me if I was getting calls from recruiters in the past few months and laughing about it like a practical joke. The soldiers are being required (and they are chewed out big time if they don't) to give recruiters a certain quota of people they can then call and deliver their pitch to. I got a few calls on my answering machine along the lines of "Hey, we talked to you and we've got your information all set to go. Come down and sign the papers." And I'm like, " Do I know you?" This was shortly after their "stand down" day that didn't change anything. The things they're doing just to be able to call it an all volunteer military (as if 'Hey, they signed up for it' is an excuse for when ordering them into the depths of Hell) get pretty skeevy. 414463[/snapback] Geez....God forbid someone actually try to talk someone else into doing what they want them to do. Next thing you know we'll have cops pressuring murder suspects into confessions and guys lying to girls just to get them into bed!! Unless someone is mentally retarded, every adult is more than capable of making up their own mind about entering the military, even if their recruiter is trying to get them to sign up or their mother is trying to get to stay home. And as far as where they get sent after they sign up, they don't get to vote on that. It's part of the deal. After all, why did we send all those Americans to their deaths on the battlefields of Europe? Did Germany attack us?
SilverNRed Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 Not too amazing actually. There are a lot of people that are willing to conveniently forget the definitions of simple words if by doing so it allows them an opportunity to scream "BUSH BAD!" for the zillionth time. 414422[/snapback] The same people who can't understand the concept of volunteer army are the ones who think President Bush is a "war criminal" who "murdered" Casey Sheehan.
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 At a family party yesterday, my brother in the Guard asked me if I was getting calls from recruiters in the past few months and laughing about it like a practical joke. The soldiers are being required (and they are chewed out big time if they don't) to give recruiters a certain quota of people they can then call and deliver their pitch to. I got a few calls on my answering machine along the lines of "Hey, we talked to you and we've got your information all set to go. Come down and sign the papers." And I'm like, " Do I know you?" This was shortly after their "stand down" day that didn't change anything. The things they're doing just to be able to call it an all volunteer military (as if 'Hey, they signed up for it' is an excuse for when ordering them into the depths of Hell) get pretty skeevy. 414463[/snapback] Is that like the "family calling circles" that MCI stared years ago? Maybe they can call and say they know your credit score and your employment value... I am sure they would catch a lot of fish by grounding them with that reality?
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 And as far as where they get sent after they sign up, they don't get to vote on that. It's part of the deal. After all, why did we send all those Americans to their deaths on the battlefields of Europe? Did Germany attack us? 414491[/snapback] Come to think about it, the 18-20 year olds DRAFTED during that era COULDN'T vote on anything... It was part of the deal.
KD in CA Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 Come to think about it, the 18-20 year olds DRAFTED during that era COULDN'T vote on anything... It was part of the deal. 414578[/snapback] Exactly. And yet people here are whining about volunteers being asked to live up to their promises.
Reuben Gant Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 Exactly. And yet people here are whining about volunteers being asked to live up to their promises. 414647[/snapback] And sometimes a little extra with the stop-loss program.
Wacka Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 I'll repeat again, the stop-loss happens in every war. My father was in the Navy during the Korean War. He enlisted for 2 years. Truman then enacted a stop-loss and he had to serve an additional year. Nothing new.
RkFast Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 I'll repeat again, the stop-loss happens in every war. My father was in the Navy during the Korean War. He enlisted for 2 years. Truman then enacted a stop-loss and he had to serve an additional year. Nothing new. 414848[/snapback] WRONG. Stop-Loss IS new. A sitting President with close ties to the Saudis....NEW. Halliburton.......NEW. Presidents taking vacations.....NEW.
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 WRONG. Stop-Loss IS new. A sitting President with close ties to the Saudis....NEW. Halliburton.......NEW. Presidents taking vacations.....NEW. 414870[/snapback] Exactly. Stop loss for an all volunteer armed forces, not conscripted. Saudis, can't argue with that. Halliburton, same... Name change to protect the innocent. Presidents taking month long vactions in their first year, 11 days before the deadliest attack on American soil since the Civil War... Not that is TRULY new!
KD in CA Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 Presidents taking month long vactions in their first year, 11 days before the deadliest attack on American soil since the Civil War... Not that is TRULY new! 415015[/snapback] Exactly. Because obviously he should have know what was going to happen 11 days later. BUSH BAD! But never mind Clinton vetoing the CIA mission to capture bin Ladin three years earlier because they didn't want to kill any civilians in the terrorist training camp.
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