EndZoneCrew Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Who cares...those guys are just retards with a NYC accent who get paid to talk up the Jets....no matter how bad they may be
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 People should spend more time paying attention to what Hollywood Donahoe posts and not just dismiss him out of hand....He is one of the few who knows what he is talking about. 410887[/snapback] Well, I did agree with him didnt I? Plus, I face the same discrimination, immediately blocked because I like the enemy. Eggs thrown at my house, I cant even go to a decent restaurant without someone yelling at me to "go back to Miami." And If I should ever order Buffalo wings, or New England Clam Chowder, or a New York Strip Steak... oh the shame! Sorry, got carried away, hehe.
1billsfan Posted August 18, 2005 Author Posted August 18, 2005 So, you're telling me that Carson Palmer was not a rookie last year cause he sat on the bench for a season. There's only so much you can learn sitting out and watching. Next time you need surgery, ask to see a surgeon who's read all the books, but hasnt actually done the procedure. You shouldnt be worried, right? After all, he's not a rookie. 410856[/snapback] Luckily football isn't life or death so I'm willing to back Losman thinking he'll be able to handle the job. JP has Evans, Moulds, Parrish and McGahee to throw the ball to...I'm thinking he'll do just fine.
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Luckily football isn't life or death so I'm willing to back Losman thinking he'll be able to handle the job. JP has Evans, Moulds, Parrish and McGahee to throw the ball to...I'm thinking he'll do just fine. 410899[/snapback] You left out Reed... now that's funny.
The Jokeman Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 1. No, he's not. As the jokeman said he's got less that one full drive of NFL experience. 2. McGahhe might be your bread and butter, but when they start stacking the line, it'll be interesting to see what you do. Plan to run every down, expect every MLB in the league to be rushing in. So your going to have to throw, and when you throw the ball three things can happen, and two of them are bad. 3. Bledsoe was so terrible he almost led the team to the playoffs. Expect him to struggle, and be pleasantly surprised if he succeeds early. 410768[/snapback] Your point 2 is an excellent one and think a lot of fans have to understand that teams are going to gear up to stop McGahee and until JP shows he can beat them we could struggle in the earliy going. I admit Bledsoe's play was weak last year but he still had his moments that forced defenses to respect our passing game and as a result open things up for McGahee.
SouthernMan Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Ever think that starting a rookie QB might actually be a step back? Im not claiming that the Jets will be the best team come playoff time, or that the Fins will shock everyone and compete, but isn't it feasable that starting a QB with no experience is a little bit worse that a seasoned starter? Yeah I know, but Ben did this, and Carson did that. But look at the Colts and Peyton his first year. Look at all the other rookie QBs in the league. Instant success is the exception to the rule. In the long run, JP is the way to go. But dont expect to be in the playoffs yet. 409910[/snapback] Statistically, rookie QBs don't measure up to their college hype. But stats can be deceiving. You have to look at the big picture. Typically, a rookie QB is a high draft choice who is playing because he's getting paid well and has to learn sometime. With a team that's got lots room for improvement, no time like the present to start the youngster. Now, you have to think, what teams are starting high round rookie QBs? Answer: teams that sucked the previous year and are in rebuilding mode. It only stands to reason that no matter who the QB is, the team probably isn't a superbowl or even a playoff contender. It's not unusual for the rookie QB to also have a new coaching staff that the rest of the team is getting acclimated to. The Bills have the players in place. It's not as if there are huge gaps throughout the squad. They had the #1 special teams and #2 defense last year. They had a running back that averaged over 100 yards for each start. They've got a superb fullback. They have experience, talent, and depth and wide receiver. They have an O-line with the benefit of one of the best tutors (McNally) at that position. A strong running game should take the heat off of JP as far as reading coverages. Besides - Losman is not a rookie. He's had a full year to get aquainted with the team and what it expects from him By all accounts, he's made the most of his opportunity and has been immersing himself in film and the playbook. I don't think Bledsoe's experience is a greater commodity than Losman's accuracy and abilty to get out of the pocket. What good did all of Bledsoe's experience do for him? It sure didn't help him find receivers or avoid the rush! He has no sense of oncoming defenders. Sure can't time a pass on a simple "out" pattern. Rarely ever hit a receiver in stride. More often than not the receiver had to pause and reach back for a pass. I have to laugh when I hear the Bills are weaker at the QB position because they'll miss Bledsoe's experience. Experience is only valuable if you learn from it and coreect weaknesses. Bledsoe's been doing the same lame crap for years. So much for experience. At the very least, Losman has potential. That's more than you could say for Bledsoe at this point in his career.
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I have to laugh when I hear the Bills are weaker at the QB position because they'll miss Bledsoe's experience. Experience is only valuable if you learn from it and coreect weaknesses. Bledsoe's been doing the same lame crap for years. So much for experience. At the very least, Losman has potential. That's more than you could say for Bledsoe at this point in his career. 411024[/snapback] Ok, I agree the Bills arent the last place team that usually starts a rookie. JP will have tools around him to work with. But I've also seen the panic on this board due to the OL. I think that might be a major factor in his success. Also, Experience isnt everything, but is valuable, as you said, when you learn from it. JP has none to learn from. Experience isnt everything, but it does matter. Potential is also extremely important, but as you put it, it is potential, something not yet manifested. Give him time and he'll be ok. But don't expect him to step up and lead them to the playoffs.
RunTheBall Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 If you listen to them regularly you know that they're not homers. It is correct that they have never liked the Bills however. 409960[/snapback] Well, its tough to be a homer when Mike's head is in Dallas because he's had it wedged so far up Parcell's ass that he can see out of Bill's mouth. Same old drivel day after day. RTB
Fla Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Ever think that starting a rookie QB might actually be a step back? Im not claiming that the Jets will be the best team come playoff time, or that the Fins will shock everyone and compete, but isn't it feasable that starting a QB with no experience is a little bit worse that a seasoned starter? Yeah I know, but Ben did this, and Carson did that. But look at the Colts and Peyton his first year. Look at all the other rookie QBs in the league. Instant success is the exception to the rule. In the long run, JP is the way to go. But dont expect to be in the playoffs yet. 409910[/snapback] It is not a step back when the QB he is replacing played worse than 96% of the QB's in the league.
Nervous Guy Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 People should spend more time paying attention to what Hollywood Donahoe posts and not just dismiss him out of hand....He is one of the few who knows what he is talking about. 410887[/snapback] but we can still dismiss you out of hand, right?
stuckincincy Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 but we can still dismiss you out of hand, right? 411408[/snapback] Talk about setting up a straight line... But I demur.
Nervous Guy Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Talk about setting up a straight line... But I demur. 411420[/snapback]
T-Bone Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 but we can still dismiss you out of hand, right? 411408[/snapback] Many try and fail, just ask CTM, DG, or VAB
RkFast Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 So today (9/6) MMD are all over the Bills. They have concerns about Losman (and who doesnt?) but are praising the Bills up and down. But they are "retards" and "morons", right?
eball Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 So today (9/6) MMD are all over the Bills. They have concerns about Losman (and who doesnt?) but are praising the Bills up and down. But they are "retards" and "morons", right? 431130[/snapback] in a word...yes. they change their minds depending on which way the wind blows. i'm actually surprised they aren't french.
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 How exactaly have the jets improved? Trading a 1st rd pick for TE Doug Jolley who btw isn't starting? Mike Nugent is a rookie kicker. the same notion that applies with Bledsoe to Losman applies here as well to Nugent to Doug Brien. While Nugent I believe will be a good nfl kicker he's a rookie so it's not unreasonable to expect falloff. Do you improve by losing a starting offensive linemen? Who exactaly are the jets gonna replace Kareem Mckenzie with? Losing Offensive coordinator Paul Hackett. While Hackett isn't the greatest offensive coordinator in the world he's been good enough to lead the jets offense to the #3 rushing offense in the league last season(their bread and butter) to compliment their stingy defense. Coordinator Mike Heimerdinger who replaces hackett brings a system that on paper looks like it doesn't suit Chad Penningtons strengths. Throwing deeper routes, more passing, take catches away from the fullback and using sowell in more of a blocking role, and generally more passing less running. With a qb coming off shoulder surgery who had questions about arm strength to begin with. It doesn't seem like a great system for him. On paper anyway. Do you improve your team by losing your best run stoping dt? Josh Ferguson was the cog in the jets dline. The same stuff bills fans hear "Our defense will take a hit we lost pat williams" for some odd reason escapes those that talk about the jets when they forget to mention they lost Josh Ferguson. Curtis Martin is another year older. btw this is what happened the last time martin had t330 carries in a season he followed up with a poor year the following year 2001 nyj | 16 | 333 1513 4.5 10 2002 nyj | 16 | 261 1094 4.2 7 Is it entirely unreasonable to expect a dropoff this year, especially considering martin is on the wrong side of 30. Also they lost Lamont Jordan is derrick blaylock as good as Jordan I doubt it? When you look beneath the surface at the jets on paper they have just as many questions at us. To say they're a lock for the playoffs or are in a shoe in to challenge the pats more so than us is just flat out being ignorant and ignoring several glaring problems with the jets. The Patriots are the team to beat, but I personally don't see how the jets are better then us at all.
Ted William's frozen head Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 F those NYC homer A-holes. i wish that they'd rate the Bills as 31st in the league.it will be that much sweeter when we embarrass the Jet$
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 Curtis Martin is another year older. btw this is what happened the last time martin had t330 carries in a season he followed up with a poor year the following year 2001 nyj | 16 | 333 1513 4.5 10 2002 nyj | 16 | 261 1094 4.2 7 431158[/snapback] 16 284 1128 4.0 13 Those numbers are Willis McGahee's from last year. Tell me, did he have a poor year? Looks pretty similar to me. I know McGahee started less games, but he also averaged less YPC and got more carries. He did get 6 more TDs, which is pretty nice
Nanker Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 So today (9/6) MMD are all over the Bills. They have concerns about Losman (and who doesnt?) but are praising the Bills up and down. But they are "retards" and "morons", right? 431130[/snapback] Let the people decide. Here's MMD webpage. They don't have today's banter on it, but they do have the August 16th sessions that started this foll-de-roll. Mike and the Angry Puppy
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