Ramius Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 The question is from what are we going to take a step back. With the exception of the second Miami game last year, we were already three steps behind. If JP can hand the ball off, do a decent play action, and throw a successful screen, he is a step ahead. It's not like he is stepping into Kelly's or Marino's shoes here... He just has to be better than Bledsoe... 410277[/snapback] Exactly. JP doesnt hafta do much to do better than bledsoe did last season. Its like basically being asked to cook a dish thats better than retatta. If you can boil water in under an hour you are already 3 steps ahead.
John from Riverside Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 Sorry if I hurt your feelings John. I hate to think you're crying like a certain Dolphin who, like you, couldnt take the heat. You are obviously not a moron. 410179[/snapback] Actually....didn't know you were directing at dolphin fans..... Well....carry on....
Puhonix Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 Who the hell would look something up in a dictionary in this day in age? Never mind that, who owns a dictionary? 410287[/snapback] you got me there. I cheated. My Dictionary
RkFast Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 Wait a second....a pundit had the audacity to dismiss a team starting a first year QB with ZERO experience? The nerve! For the record, I agree 100% with Mike and the Mad Dog (and Puhonix). JP leads to team to more than 8-8 and it will be a miracle.
1billsfan Posted August 17, 2005 Author Posted August 17, 2005 Wait a second....a pundit had the audacity to dismiss a team starting a first year QB with ZERO experience? The nerve! For the record, I agree 100% with Mike and the Mad Dog (and Puhonix). JP leads to team to more than 8-8 and it will be a miracle. 410342[/snapback] Three things... 1. He's a second year QB 2. MM isn't asking JP to lead this team, McGahee is our bread and butter 3. It'll be a miracle if JP doesn't play better than Bledsoe Turn that frown upside down, they're gonna be much better than you think.
The Jokeman Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Three things...1. He's a second year QB 2. MM isn't asking JP to lead this team, McGahee is our bread and butter 3. It'll be a miracle if JP doesn't play better than Bledsoe Turn that frown upside down, they're gonna be much better than you think. 410380[/snapback] As a follow up. 1. He's a secon year QB in career years yet but in terms of on the field experience he has less than 1 full game of NFL regular season experience. 2. Defenses know that McGahee will be the focus and do everything they can to stop him. Which means JP is going to have to show he can be as good/better than Bledsoe was last year. 3. To expect a first year starting QB to play better than an 11 year veteran like Bledsoe is asking a lot. I'm predicting a 6-10 record in part because of the growing pains of Losman and don't expect the defense and special teams to replicate last years success. Of course I didn't expect us to do as well as we did last year, so I could easily be wrong again. Also for what it's worth here are some stats of QBs who sat their first season and become starters their 2nd and what we might want to expect: 16 76.9 320 526 60.8 3284 205.3 6.2 17 16 team record 8-8 13 77.3 263 432 60.9 2897 222.8 6.7 18 18 team record 6-7 15 85.3 302 471 64.1 3227 215.1 6.9 18 13 team record 9-7
PromoTheRobot Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I'm predicting a 6-10 record in part because of the growing pains of Losman and don't expect the defense and special teams to replicate last years success. Of course I didn't expect us to do as well as we did last year, so I could easily be wrong again. 410620[/snapback] Nice to see you admit you may be wrong. I think it quite likely you will be. What do you base your prediction about the defense and special teams not being good this year? Wishful thinking? The Bills defense was ranked #2 in the NFL last year. The only loss was Pat Williams, a nose tackle of average ability. The Bills special teams were ranked #1. Last I checked Bobby April is still calling the shots there. Now let's get back to the QB position. Instead of focusing on Losman's lack of experience, let's look at what the Bills accomplished last year with arguably one of the least effective QB's in the NFL. The Bills won 9 games with Drew Bledsoe. This is a QB who was rendered useless by the blitz. Defenses knew this and keyed on Willis McGahee, and yet he still managed to rush for 1000+ yards in 11 games. Your logic is so weak it's laughable! Losman has already shown he's twice the QB Bledsoe was. McGahee will only be better this year. And the Bills D and ST are already Super Bowl caliber. 6-10??? The Jets maybe...not the Bills. PTR
Kevbeau Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I have to agree with Promo. We only ask JP to be better than Bledsoe. Now that's not asking too much. is it?
canbuffan34 Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Ok, by the dictionary, a rookie is: 1. An untrained or inexperienced recruit, as in the army or police. 2. An inexperienced person; a novice. 3. Sports. A first-year player, especially in a professional sport. Is JP Inexperienced, yes. Is he a first year player, no according to the NFL. According to how much he played last year, MLB would still consider him a rookie. We can argue on this all day and night, so let's move on. He is lacking experience. When he acquires more experience, then start touting him as the second coming of Marino. But for now, let's say, quite honestly, that he's an inexperienced player surrounded by a good team. If he can keep his head in the games, and not make the crucial mistakes, then he'll be fine, and get more confident. As for all you morons reminding me that Big Ben and Tom Brady had great success, let's remember Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith, Marinovich, Tim Couch, Jeff George, Cade McNown... shall I keep going? All drafter higher than Losman. 410085[/snapback] Not the second coming of Marino, JP LOSMAN IS THE REINCARNATION OF KENNY STABLA... WHEEEET!
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Three things...1. He's a second year QB 2. MM isn't asking JP to lead this team, McGahee is our bread and butter 3. It'll be a miracle if JP doesn't play better than Bledsoe Turn that frown upside down, they're gonna be much better than you think. 410380[/snapback] 1. No, he's not. As the jokeman said he's got less that one full drive of NFL experience. 2. McGahhe might be your bread and butter, but when they start stacking the line, it'll be interesting to see what you do. Plan to run every down, expect every MLB in the league to be rushing in. So your going to have to throw, and when you throw the ball three things can happen, and two of them are bad. 3. Bledsoe was so terrible he almost led the team to the playoffs. Expect him to struggle, and be pleasantly surprised if he succeeds early.
Hollywood Donahoe Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Your logic is so weak it's laughable! Losman has already shown he's twice the QB Bledsoe was. HIS logic is weak? How on earth has Losman shown he's better than anyone? I'm not saying he won't eventually be twice the QB Bledsoe was, but he certainly hasn't yet shown that he is. 6-10??? The Jets maybe...not the Bills. So the Jets, who were a kicker away from the AFCC game last year and have improved in the offseason, will go 6-10; but the Bills, who missed the playoffs last year despite playing against backups in their elimination game and will be starting a QB with next-to-no experience, will do better. And his logic is weak?
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I never thought Id say this, but I agree with the Pats fan. <sigh> Losman is twice the QB Bledsoe was.... that has Rettata written all over it.
RkFast Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I have to agree with Promo. We only ask JP to be better than Bledsoe. Now that's not asking too much. is it? 410647[/snapback] As a matter of fact, YES it is. While Bledsoe didnt exactly play like Johhny U. last year, its setting a HUGE bar to jump.....saying a first year starter with zero experience will play at least as good as an established vet like Bledsoe.
1billsfan Posted August 18, 2005 Author Posted August 18, 2005 1. No, he's not. As the jokeman said he's got less that one full drive of NFL experience. 2. McGahhe might be your bread and butter, but when they start stacking the line, it'll be interesting to see what you do. Plan to run every down, expect every MLB in the league to be rushing in. So your going to have to throw, and when you throw the ball three things can happen, and two of them are bad. 3. Bledsoe was so terrible he almost led the team to the playoffs. Expect him to struggle, and be pleasantly surprised if he succeeds early. 410768[/snapback] Yes he is, but I see that you're a Miami fan so I'll excuse your adding skills. Look, you worry about Cheech on your team while I'll remain happy with the knowledge that opposing AFC East teams can no longer tee off on a stationary Bills QB.
RkFast Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Look, you worry about Cheech on your team while I'll remain happy with the knowledge that opposing AFC East teams can no longer tee off on a stationary Bills QB. 410850[/snapback] That Rob Johnson had good legs.
Puhonix Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Yes he is, but I see that you're a Miami fan so I'll excuse your adding skills. 410850[/snapback] So, you're telling me that Carson Palmer was not a rookie last year cause he sat on the bench for a season. There's only so much you can learn sitting out and watching. Next time you need surgery, ask to see a surgeon who's read all the books, but hasnt actually done the procedure. You shouldnt be worried, right? After all, he's not a rookie.
stuckincincy Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 2. McGahhe might be your bread and butter, but when they start stacking the line, it'll be interesting to see what you do. Plan to run every down, expect every MLB in the league to be rushing in. So your going to have to throw, and when you throw the ball three things can happen, and two of them are bad. 410768[/snapback] That's a dangerous defensive strategy if done to excess. For the last few years, that's what the B'gals did against BAL and PIT, and they got blistered. Eventually the RB pops through and it's off to the races. Newly-acquired guard Anderson is a notable run blocker.
KD in CA Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 HIS logic is weak? How on earth has Losman shown he's better than anyone? I'm not saying he won't eventually be twice the QB Bledsoe was, but he certainly hasn't yet shown that he is.So the Jets, who were a kicker away from the AFCC game last year and have improved in the offseason, will go 6-10; but the Bills, who missed the playoffs last year despite playing against backups in their elimination game and will be starting a QB with next-to-no experience, will do better. And his logic is weak? 410784[/snapback] I have to agree with this. I can't stand the Jets, but I don't see the rationale for expecting a collapse from them. Pennington isn't Montana, but he's good enough. They have a solid D, better now with Law, solid OL and good skill players. Curtis Martin is like the housing market -- people have been predicting its collapse for five years now, but it still hasn't happened. Unless it does, I don't see a compelling reason to think the Jets won't be in the hunt for a playoff spot again.
Hollywood Donahoe Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 I have to agree with this. I can't stand the Jets, but I don't see the rationale for expecting a collapse from them. Yeah, as much as I hate the idea of it, the Jets will be solid solid team this year, and they have improved on a team that handled itself well in the playoffs last year. Pennington isn't Montana, but he's good enough. Eveyone rags on Pennington because his arm isn't very strong, but he's very accurate and relatively poised.
T-Bone Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Yeah, as much as I hate the idea of it, the Jets will be solid solid team this year, and they have improved on a team that handled itself well in the playoffs last year.Eveyone rags on Pennington because his arm isn't very strong, but he's very accurate and relatively poised. 410883[/snapback] People should spend more time paying attention to what Hollywood Donahoe posts and not just dismiss him out of hand....He is one of the few who knows what he is talking about.
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