meazza Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hey, maybe we could put a diving platform on the Skyway. 410354[/snapback] lol im telling you dude, its a big problem and the government is making it worse by moving to a sector that is between a poorer region, sure the tax money has helped but it has destroyed countless families.. gambling is an addiction and i think its a bad idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........... i gotta get down there and boycottah well dig your own grave buffalo, everyone is leaving anyways. 408878[/snapback] Damn straight, I got out of town a while ago. The whole problem with the casino idea in Buffalo, is that the people in favor of it seem to think it is going to make Buffalo a tourist desination. I got news for ya, BUFFALO IS NOT A TOURIST DESTINATION!! Yes, Niagar Falls is one of the top tourist destinations in the country, no doubt, but Buffalo is not. The idea of having the hotel and casino in the Falls is great because it is an attempt to bring tourists from Canada over to the states. My questions is this, why would someone who came accross the border from Canada to visit the falls and play in the casino, drive down to buffalo to visit another casino? the only time I could see people from out of town coming to visit Buffalo and go to the casino is maybe during football season when out of towners from NY and New England have downtown hotels would maybe visit the casino, but othet than that its going to be locals visiting the casino and spenind local money. makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 I disagree with all of you. People cry that Buffalo will lose it's hometown shine, but it's those same people who left. I have a good idea for those people...Shut the F##@ up. Come here and support our economy. For those of you who bailed on this city because there was no good jobs 5-10-15 years ago, you have no right to criticize. You left and it's not your city anymore. Ridiculous 408976[/snapback] For your information, myself and most of the other people who "bailed" on Buffalo, still have family and friends who live there. family and friends that pay high taxes, run businesses and put up with all the crap that goes with that area. Saying that we have no right to criticize the way Buffalo is run just because we are not physically living in the area anymore is ridiculous. Thats like saying people in the U.S. shouldn't critcize other countries for their policies or other countries telling us to shut the F up. Also, if moving to a new city or state to find a better opportunity for ourselves and our families is "bailing" and is bad thing then I guess myself and all the others who "bailed" are guilty. Why don't you organize some sort of militia to guard the state borders not allowing us to come and visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 The food is good, but it's good in Chicago or New York or Pittsburgh the same way. I thought Buffalo was as good as gets, but that's a facade that you'll soon bury as soon as you leave Buffalo. Nice people exist everywhere. I love the people here, but you just have to look for nice people and you can find them anywhere. 409299[/snapback] I will agree with you on those two, there is pretty much great food almost anywhere. I still struggle to find the perfect wings outside of Buffalo, but thats just hometown bias. I love the comment on nice people. It reminds me of a comment my former roommate made. We were watching something on NFL players homes, and they showed Takeo Spikes house in Atlanta. Roommate said "he Doesn't live In Buffalo?" I made a comment like hes a millionaire, and he's from Atlanta, so it makes sense he wouldn't live here in the offseason, plus the weather is better there. Roommate "THERE'S GOOD PEOPLE HERE DUDE, I LIKE LIVING HERE!!" Just the ultimate example of a quote from someone who has never lived outside of WNY and has no idea what the rest of the world is like. I know people who have never even traveled further West than Cleveland, and no further East than Rochester. that to me, is not living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Also, if moving to a new city or state to find a better opportunity for ourselves and our families is "bailing" and is bad thing then I guess myself and all the others who "bailed" are guilty. Why don't you organize some sort of militia to guard the state borders not allowing us to come and visit.410409[/snapback] I already have, but I will not release my militia until I'm ready to take over wny. The time is near my friend, the time is near. t-r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Damn straight, I got out of town a while ago. The whole problem with the casino idea in Buffalo, is that the people in favor of it seem to think it is going to make Buffalo a tourist desination. I got news for ya, BUFFALO IS NOT A TOURIST DESTINATION!! Yes, Niagar Falls is one of the top tourist destinations in the country, no doubt, but Buffalo is not. The idea of having the hotel and casino in the Falls is great because it is an attempt to bring tourists from Canada over to the states. My questions is this, why would someone who came accross the border from Canada to visit the falls and play in the casino, drive down to buffalo to visit another casino? the only time I could see people from out of town coming to visit Buffalo and go to the casino is maybe during football season when out of towners from NY and New England have downtown hotels would maybe visit the casino, but othet than that its going to be locals visiting the casino and spenind local money. makes no sense to me. 410402[/snapback] I agree that Buffalo in not a 'tourist hotspot', but they will get alot of business from out of towners traveling the 90. People in Syracuse aren't exactly able to promote the city either, hell it's more a hole in the wall than Buffalo. However, I can tell you that all of the people I know like to stop in to turning stone and play. Niagara Falls is a tourist hot spot in a way that Buffalo can never be, I agree. Yet, out of town dollars will be spent there by travelers who need a good night sleep and are looking for some quick entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoak Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I agree that Buffalo in not a 'tourist hotspot', but they will get alot of business from out of towners traveling the 90. People in Syracuse aren't exactly able to promote the city either, hell it's more a hole in the wall than Buffalo. However, I can tell you that all of the people I know like to stop in to turning stone and play. Niagara Falls is a tourist hot spot in a way that Buffalo can never be, I agree. Yet, out of town dollars will be spent there by travelers who need a good night sleep and are looking for some quick entertainment. 410452[/snapback] Sigh, Casinos in Syrace, Olean, Niagra Falls, Brantford, Ont, Atlantic City, NJ, Conneticut....where exactly are they going to bring the tourist from? You really want to bring tourists in....make a poker room...a big, two floor, 100 table poker room. With a high rollers area with high stakes games to lure players all over the north east. Not as profitable....much less overhead, good, guaranteed jobs, you could start big poker tounries in the area...and advertise the hell out of it Host a few big tournies a year...this really isn't a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Sigh, Casinos in Syrace, Olean, Niagra Falls, Brantford, Ont, Atlantic City, NJ, Conneticut....where exactly are they going to bring the tourist from? You really want to bring tourists in....make a poker room...a big, two floor, 100 table poker room. With a high rollers area with high stakes games to lure players all over the north east. Not as profitable....much less overhead, good, guaranteed jobs, you could start big poker tounries in the area...and advertise the hell out of it Host a few big tournies a year...this really isn't a bad idea. 410485[/snapback] Sign me up. I couldn't agree more. t-r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I already have, but I will not release my militia until I'm ready to take over wny. The time is near my friend, the time is near. t-r 410449[/snapback] I figured you'd like that one. Now why dont you go eat a coroded piece of crap, to quote your avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I agree that Buffalo in not a 'tourist hotspot', but they will get alot of business from out of towners traveling the 90. People in Syracuse aren't exactly able to promote the city either, hell it's more a hole in the wall than Buffalo. However, I can tell you that all of the people I know like to stop in to turning stone and play. Niagara Falls is a tourist hot spot in a way that Buffalo can never be, I agree. Yet, out of town dollars will be spent there by travelers who need a good night sleep and are looking for some quick entertainment. 410452[/snapback] At the very least I can see your point of view, and I know that is the general point of view of most of the pro-casino crowd, I just dont see it working. I have to say though, here in Arizona, there are quite a few casinos, but they are all Indian run operations. They seem to get good business but Arizona has a thriving economy at this point in history so most businesses do pretty good. I also noticed you said all the people you know go to the casinos, which I guess is OK, but you have to be able to look at things from the crowd that doesn't go. I am an occasional once ina great while casino goer, usually only going if a group goes and its somewhere I can get free drinks while playing a game. Bottom line, from my point of view, and yes this is from a former Buffalonian who sees things from a bit of an outsiders perspective now, I dont think a city run casino would honestly turn around the fortunes of downtown Buffalo. The problems with the city's downfall are mulitiple, multiple bad decisions going back the half century or so. Everything from building the 190 on the waterfront, to building the Stadium in orchard park to builidng Ub in Amherst. These are all thing along with many many many many many others that have affected B-lo and the surrounding towns. One city run casino, will not change that, I dont care how many people it brings in. I'm not saying a casino can't do decent business, its just not the end all solution, which you might not think it is either, I'm just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I disagree with all of you. Casinos offer roughly 500-600 jobs. That's just in the Casino. Ask Niagara Falls or Niagara County if they mind having to collect millions of dollars in tax money annually. People cry that Buffalo will lose it's hometown shine, but it's those same people who left. I have a good idea for those people...Shut the F##@ up. Come here and support our economy. For those of you who bailed on this city because there was no good jobs 5-10-15 years ago, you have no right to criticize. You left and it's not your city anymore. I'm a poker dealer and I do have a bias. Everyone said, drugs and hookers and all other types of things were going to happen to Niagara Falls. All wrong. The area has benefited greatly because of the Casino. Go a step further and look at the Casino's in Irving and Salamanca. They have 150 more jobs than they did 3 years ago. They pay taxes. Our community benefits from a casino. If you don't like Casinos, it's really simple, DON'T GO. Don't support them. No one is going to miss you. No one cries that you don't come. If there were more of you than there were of us, the Casino would be out of business right now. But it's the fast growing business in WNY as well as the country. NOTE: Buffalo lost it's home town shine years ago. Buffalo is a faultering city on it's last legs. Buffalo can't even keep it's own parks open. Buffalo is so far in debt it's literally ridiculous that we even have an argument against something that is going to bring both tax money and jobs to the community. Ridiculous 408976[/snapback] Agreed with you completely. When I was a fresh grad out of UB, nothing in Buffalo offered decent pay for me to stick around to wait for my now wife to finish her schooling. being a dealer at the casino afforded me an opportunity to make a living wage without having to work at chucke cheese, waitering, whatever. I'm all for the casino's. They are a major player in generating revenue both coming in, and going out. Now that I have left buffalo due to the fact there were no jobs in my field, I do miss it, but unfortunatley there are NO JOBS in buffalo. Bring on the casino. Anybody with/without a college degree making less than 35k/yr in buff ought to be waiting in lines to sign up for work. Great job, good benefits, cool atmosphere. If you are against the casino, what other alternative do you provide besides vacant slum buildings that can match the revenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I already have, but I will not release my militia until I'm ready to take over wny. The time is near my friend, the time is near. t-r 410449[/snapback] Is your friend offering his protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Casino sounds like a last gasp at any kind of small economic jump. Guess Buffalo hasn't paid much attention to what happened in Detroit with their casinos. Need new political leadership if they want to follow in Detroit's footsteps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Agreed with you completely. When I was a fresh grad out of UB, nothing in Buffalo offered decent pay for me to stick around to wait for my now wife to finish her schooling. being a dealer at the casino afforded me an opportunity to make a living wage without having to work at chucke cheese, waitering, whatever. I'm all for the casino's. They are a major player in generating revenue both coming in, and going out. Now that I have left buffalo due to the fact there were no jobs in my field, I do miss it, but unfortunatley there are NO JOBS in buffalo. Bring on the casino. Anybody with/without a college degree making less than 35k/yr in buff ought to be waiting in lines to sign up for work. Great job, good benefits, cool atmosphere. If you are against the casino, what other alternative do you provide besides vacant slum buildings that can match the revenue? 410643[/snapback] Interesting point of view. The one thing the casino has going for it is jobs. The contention is whether or not the economic impact on the community as a whole is worthwhile. that, is yet to be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#41 Posted August 18, 2005 Author Share Posted August 18, 2005 lolim telling you dude, its a big problem and the government is making it worse by moving to a sector that is between a poorer region, sure the tax money has helped but it has destroyed countless families.. gambling is an addiction and i think its a bad idea 410382[/snapback] Good thing they don't put places that serve ALCOHOL in town. imagine the addiction problems... Good thing Monte Carlo nights and church bingo are all good in everyone's eyes...paint with a broad brush lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ray Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 It will not be the panacea people want but it would help. My problem is that they are diluting the Niagara Falls casino and its revenue. Why not build another one up there with a different theme and start developing the area around it. Why split all the people, visitors in between Buffalo and NF? Two Falls' casinos would be nice and compete with the Ontario ones. I do not think gambling is the big evil so many detractors make it out to be. For areas like WNY it has created more jobs than anything else in recent memory. Yes more than Geico, etc... Obviously more jobs and opportunities are welcomed. The other big problem I have is that NYS should be like the provence of Ontario. Why not take the profits as a revenue stream for the state, God knows the state needs it despite being the most taxed state in the country. Instead the tribes collect the money and the state and area get a paltry contribution and the huge buildings do not generate any property tax revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSCOE P. COE TRAIN Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 poor decision. they are dirtbag attractors. bring in pawn shops and scrub ruff types. casinos claim it "will bring hotels, food, parking." but that is bullsh-- because studies show the casinos do all that in house for their own proifits (ie have their own food, shops, parking, etc). so no money eneters the stream of consumer. it could generate jobs, but how many people work at a casino? 200-400? the buffalo zoo has that many employees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Outside of a few idiots I see few folks arguing that a Casino is some panacea which is going to save the region. Some developers who are going to make a mint indiviudally if there site is chosen versus some other developers site in Niagara Falls may make this argument, but most folks seem to be fairly hard bitten about this and they see the big limitations of a casino but on balance they want the specific benefits they might be able to get. There is a legit argument that in addition to not being a real development engine (it merely recycles local money unless you do a lot of other things to attract out of towners here. Folks will not come gamble in Buffalo when increasingly they can gamble at home in Indian Casinos or the Internet or other sites like Vegas are entrenched or building additional reasons to come to that destination) that on whole the extra costs which will come from the additional social service need and crime associated with gambling abuse makes it a bad deal for the region as a whole. However, on balance I think that the argument that gambling opportunities in Naigara Falls and Canada are close enough that we will have to pay for the social service associated with abuse will happen anyway and that we probably should support a Buffalo casino as a defense measure to stop Erie County dollars from going to Niagara County and US dollars from going to Canada and we get left with the social service impacts of gambling abuse by Buffalo residents. Casinos are not a development strategy at all but they may be a neccessary evil since NYS and others are bellying up to this bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lamb Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Outside of a few idiots I see few folks arguing that a Casino is some panacea which is going to save the region. Some developers who are going to make a mint indiviudally if there site is chosen versus some other developers site in Niagara Falls may make this argument, but most folks seem to be fairly hard bitten about this and they see the big limitations of a casino but on balance they want the specific benefits they might be able to get. There is a legit argument that in addition to not being a real development engine (it merely recycles local money unless you do a lot of other things to attract out of towners here. Folks will not come gamble in Buffalo when increasingly they can gamble at home in Indian Casinos or the Internet or other sites like Vegas are entrenched or building additional reasons to come to that destination) that on whole the extra costs which will come from the additional social service need and crime associated with gambling abuse makes it a bad deal for the region as a whole. However, on balance I think that the argument that gambling opportunities in Naigara Falls and Canada are close enough that we will have to pay for the social service associated with abuse will happen anyway and that we probably should support a Buffalo casino as a defense measure to stop Erie County dollars from going to Niagara County and US dollars from going to Canada and we get left with the social service impacts of gambling abuse by Buffalo residents. Casinos are not a development strategy at all but they may be a neccessary evil since NYS and others are bellying up to this bar. 413083[/snapback] Just a comment - not aimed at FFS Aside from Las Vegas, Monaco and a few of the Asian hot spots - casinos do not drive the economy. Go check out Atlantic City if you need clarification. If the arguement is your community needs a casino because the "other" guy has one - you're missing the bigger picture. Hard business drives an economy - how's that new Peace Bridge doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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