Is Racial Profiling of Muslims Wrong?

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Perhaps, but you'd have to think it could yield SOMETHING of value.

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Like information regarding Iraq's impending purchase of uranium from Africa... And don't forget the rather significant price on bin Laden's head that seems to be accomplishing pretty much nothing. The people who'd actually have the information you want are the people who'd proabably not be motivated by cash.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Like information regarding Iraq's impending purchase of uranium from Africa...    And don't forget the rather significant price on bin Laden's head that seems to be accomplishing pretty much nothing.  The people who'd actually have the information you want are the people who'd proabably not be motivated by cash.

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True, that. But there have to be people out there wh would jump at the chance to at least point us in the right direction.

[philburger1]

Way to miss the point.  Because blowing up buildings or taking out random civilians with a sniper rifle are certainly more honorable.

 

Keep firing blanks.

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We are talking about SCREENING PASSENGERS GOING ON AIRCRAFT AND TRAINS are we not?

 

I think that was a .38 hollow tip that just smoked your ass.

[Ghost of BiB]

True, that. But there have to be people out there wh would jump at the chance to at least point us in the right direction.

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FWIW, there is a lot of that going on now, and without bribes. We actually get a lot from people who don't hate America from a huge variety of sources. One big problem is people who out other people for personal vendetta reasons. (owes money, ex-husband, etc) Checking the stories clogs the reource pipeline.

 

Keep in mind there's a lot of money out there for Bin Laden, Zarqawi and some of their little friends. They are still on the street.

[RuntheDamnBall]

We are talking about SCREENING PASSENGERS GOING ON AIRCRAFT AND TRAINS are we not?

 

I think that was a .38 hollow tip that just smoked your ass.

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I believe we're talking just as much about the frame of mind of people who would commit acts of mass and public murder.

 

It has little to do with race, but keep believing it if it makes you feel better.

[Ghost of BiB]

I believe we're talking just as much about the frame of mind of people who would commit acts of mass and public murder.

 

It has little to do with race, but keep believing it if it makes you feel better.

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Uh...well, yes it does.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Uh...well, yes it does.

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Please explain, given that we've seen people from myriad backgrounds involve themselves with radical Islam.

[Ghost of BiB]

Please explain, given that we've seen people from myriad backgrounds involve themselves with radical Islam.

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Predominantly of middle eastern extraction. Arabs. Generally between the ages of 17 and 28. Usually male. Most likely Saudi, Pakistani or Egyptian. Closely followed by Sudanese, Jordanian and Somalian - but woo hoo...now we are starting to dip into black ethnic groups.

 

That's sure going to get messy, isn't it?

[Mickey]

Rich, I am trying to protect common sense.

 

You can't "profile" members of a religion, at least not in terms of public searches.  The authorities can do everything possible in terms of intel and gravitate toward and communicate with the communities that are potential hotspots.  But the idea of actually profiling Muslims in the way that other ethnic or racial groups have been profiled is absurd, because it is not one of those groups.

 

This is like talking to a wall.

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No it's not, the odds of getting an intelligent response from a wall is far greater.

 

Where do you get off insulting walls like that?

 

I know walls sir, I have worked with walls, and Richio, sir, is no wall.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Predominantly of middle eastern extraction. Arabs. Generally between the ages of 17 and 28. Usually male. Most likely Saudi, Pakistani or Egyptian. Closely followed by Sudanese, Jordanian and Somalian - but woo hoo...now we are starting to dip into black ethnic groups.

 

That's sure going to get messy, isn't it?

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That's kind of my point. To say nothing of southeast Asia, or domestic recruits, as were all the London bombers (understanding they were of Arab origin -- except for one of Jamaican -- profiling that would have been interesting).

 

I understand there is a current profile, and it should at the very least be examined. But it should not be our limit and it should not be the primary focus. The primary focus should be getting these people behind the scenes, not on the steps of a train terminal, and I'm sure a lot of people are working hard to make sure they never get there. I'm sure you can agree with that.

[chicot]

That's kind of my point.  To say nothing of southeast Asia, or domestic recruits, as were all the London bombers (understanding they were of Arab origin -- except for one of Jamaican -- profiling that would have been interesting).

 

I understand there is a current profile, and it should at the very least be examined.  But it should not be our limit and it should not be the primary focus.  The primary focus should be getting these people behind the scenes, not on the steps of a train terminal, and I'm sure a lot of people are working hard to make sure they never get there.  I'm sure you can agree with that.

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? The London bombers were not of Arab origin. Apart from the Jamaican, they were all Pakistani.

[Ghost of BiB]

That's kind of my point.  To say nothing of southeast Asia, or domestic recruits, as were all the London bombers (understanding they were of Arab origin -- except for one of Jamaican -- profiling that would have been interesting).

 

I understand there is a current profile, and it should at the very least be examined.  But it should not be our limit and it should not be the primary focus.  The primary focus should be getting these people behind the scenes, not on the steps of a train terminal, and I'm sure a lot of people are working hard to make sure they never get there.  I'm sure you can agree with that.

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And, there is a LOT going on (thankfully most here don't know about it), but you have to play the percentages. The percentages say that the profile I described above is most likely to be the bad guy. Ergo, that's who you profile.

 

That's why they call it profiling. Serial Killers are most likely early middle aged white guys. That's who the police sort of kind of start off looking for.

 

This isn't lost on AQ, either. I would bet you good money they are really working to gather up some trustworthy non-arab appearing operatives. Take a look at your prison populations. There are some pretty ornery muslims there.

 

But, that isn't the immediate problem, until evidence gets produced to support it.

[Ghost of BiB]

? The London bombers were not of Arab origin. Apart from the Jamaican, they were all Pakistani.

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Well DUH, Dave. Anyone with even the most cursory knowledge knows the Pakistani connection. that's why I included them with the above.

[SilverNRed]

And, there is a LOT going on (thankfully most here don't know about it), but you have to play the percentages. The percentages say that the profile I described above is most likely to be the bad guy. Ergo, that's who you profile.

 

That's why they call it profiling. Serial Killers are most likely early middle aged white guys. That's who the police sort of kind of start off looking for.

 

This isn't lost on AQ, either. I would bet you good money they are really working to gather up some trustworthy non-arab appearing operatives. Take a look at your prison populations. There are some pretty ornery muslims there.

 

But, that isn't the immediate problem, until evidence gets produced to support it.

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At which point, people will begin wondering why "Bush didn't do something" about it.

 

Profiling is a wonderful thing. I'd love our security teams to be trained to look for the people most likely to be doing something sinister rather than just looking at everyone, because there's no way you can actually look at everyone. Profiling works. They understand this in Israel. It helped them crush the intifada not long ago.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Well DUH, Dave. Anyone with even the most cursory knowledge knows the Pakistani connection. that's why I included them with the above.

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(retreats into corner again)

[philburger1]

I believe we're talking just as much about the frame of mind of people who would commit acts of mass and public murder.

 

It has little to do with race, but keep believing it if it makes you feel better.

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How about using names then?

Abdul Mohhamd El Sheika Annon would warrant a close look.

[Britbillsfan]

? The London bombers were not of Arab origin. Apart from the Jamaican, they were all Pakistani.

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Richard Reid, the aircraft 'shoe bomber', was also of part West Indies extraction.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

? The London bombers were not of Arab origin. Apart from the Jamaican, they were all Pakistani.

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Of course they weren't.

 

But God forbid ANYONE besmirch the good name of the Arab community, right? Because we all know that young Arab males never blow themselves up.

 

[chicot]

Of course they weren't.

 

But God forbid ANYONE besmirch the good name of the Arab community, right? Because we all know that young Arab males never blow themselves up.

 

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Of course they do, but that's no reason to assume that each and every suicide bombing has to carried out by a young Arab male. As you well know, that is a false assumption.

[Ghost of BiB]

Of course they weren't.

 

But God forbid ANYONE besmirch the good name of the Arab community, right? Because we all know that young Arab males never blow themselves up.

 

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The majority of western people wouldn't know the difference between a Pakistani and a Syrian. I don't think Chicot was implying that Arabs don't blow things up. It IS a true statement that the current crop was not arab, and is probably a reporting and discussion fault that this is centering on "Arabs". That's why I used the description of Middle-East/West Asian/N. African. It's still profiling, but a wider brush.

 

There will come a time when blue eyed blondes are blowing things up (actually, it's already happened a lot - anyone remember Bader-Meinhoff?) but until it becomes a real problem, one has to play the percentages.