VABills Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Right, mom says one thing about her son, you say another. Between you and her, I'm going with her on the off chance that she knows more about her son than you. 409865[/snapback] And yet his dad and sister disagree with the mom. So I will go with what they say, because there is two witnesses there and they are being fed a line of sh-- from the Dean camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Right, mom says one thing about her son, you say another. Between you and her, I'm going with her on the off chance that she knows more about her son than you. 409865[/snapback] All I'm doing is remaining skeptical about a woman who is making crazy accusations on a daily basis and who claims to be speaking for her deceased son. The people on Casey Sheehan's father's side of the family feel the exact opposite way and Cindy Sheehan's husband just filed for divorce. If you aren't skeptical about everything this woman is saying, it's only because you really really don't want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 And yet his dad and sister disagree with the mom. 409869[/snapback] Do you have a link for that? In her own words she said she and her husband were always in political agreement, but he didn't agree with her devoting her life to activism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Not the way I would have put it, but, it is interesting to watch the political right squirm when anyone withholds their consent. (are they really so insecure in their beliefs that this loony little lady is such a threat) 409827[/snapback] She must be destroyed. The very idea that a person could be a patriot and disagree with the right just doesn't compute. Look at the trouble Silver has even considering the notion that Casey Sheehan's service wasn't an endorsement of the war itself or the President. It can't be. It must be instead that the boy's mother is a brainwashed lunatic who doesn't know her own son as well right wing strangers knew him. The reasonable view is that none of us know what the heck his views were on the war and that whatever they were, they are just one soldier's view of the situation. Judging by the reaction you would think the entire future of the global struggle against violent extremism hangs in the balance. I predict that both sides will engage in a battle of the widows and grieving moms. Just about everyother heartfelt human instinct we all share, base or otherwise, has been harnessed by one side or the other in this war. Fear, patriotism, suspicion, religion, grief, anger, etc. etc. etc. This is just more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 She must be destroyed. The very idea that a person could be a patriot and disagree with the right just doesn't compute. Look at the trouble Silver has even considering the notion that Casey Sheehan's service wasn't an endorsement of the war itself or the President. It can't be. It must be instead that the boy's mother is a brainwashed lunatic who doesn't know her own son as well right wing strangers knew him.409880[/snapback] So nice of you to respond not to me, but about me to someone else. And it's great that you keep trying to assert that somehow I'm trying to say I knew this guy better than his own mom. It's not working, but it's great that you keep trying. Let me guess: you'll say it again in your next response..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Do you have a link for that? In her own words she said she and her husband were always in political agreement, but he didn't agree with her devoting her life to activism. 409877[/snapback] http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?Stor...16-112405-7015r From his side of the family "We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She appears to be promoting her own personal agenda at the expense of her son's good name and reputation," the family members said. "The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our president, silently with prayer and respect." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 And yet his dad and sister disagree with the mom. So I will go with what they say, because there is two witnesses there and they are being fed a line of sh-- from the Dean camp. 409869[/snapback] link? All I could find was the drudge story which is based on an e-mail purportedly from Casey Sheehan's aunt and godmother, whose name is supposedly "Cherie Quartarolo", which was "signed" by "...grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins." First, it doesn't list the father or siblings and second, it actually contains no names of anyone besides this "cherie". Casey Sheehan's aunt, Dede Miller, said, I think at his funeral if I read the story right, that the war was insanity that needs to stop, however you want to interpret that. Dede Miller His sister Carley also has reportedly spoken out against the war. Carley Sheehan Patrick Sheehan's divorce papers mention nothing that would indicate he disagrees with Cindy over the war and its conduct. She has said he doesn't agree with her protest but he does agree that the war is a lie. My point is that none of us know what that young man thought. His family might, like his mother, siblings and father but we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 So nice of you to respond not to me, but about me to someone else. And it's great that you keep trying to assert that somehow I'm trying to say I knew this guy better than his own mom. It's not working, but it's great that you keep trying. Let me guess: you'll say it again in your next response..... 409890[/snapback] Right, I haven't responded to you? Shall we count how many replies I have made to you in this and related threads? I am allowed to respond to others and if I choose to reference your posts in those responses, tough. We all know that you maintain you don't claim to know more than mom but at the same time you know she is wrong about her son, "it's clear" to you. You have made that inconsistent point over and over. Do we have to keep rehasing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 We all know that you maintain you don't claim to know more than mom but at the same time you know she is wrong about her son, "it's clear" to you. You have made that inconsistent point over and over. Do we have to keep rehasing it? 409941[/snapback] Of course, it's "clear." First off, it's impossible to find two people with identical political views in general, which is why it's unwise to trust anyone speaking for the dead, especially grieving mothers. So if I roll into this message board with "I support President Bush 100% and so did my recently deceased mother," I expect people to furrow their brow at that second part. Second, he was a military man and his mother is apparently anti-war period (not just anti-Iraq War) so there's a conflict there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 My point is that none of us know what that young man thought. His family might, like his mother, siblings and father but we don't. 409930[/snapback] Amazingly, my point is we should take everything his mother says with a grain of salt which is incredibly compatable with the above. Unfortunately, you misinterpret this as me (and the rest of the sensitive right wingers) proclaiming we know CS more than his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 She's blamed the Jews ( Israel) for her son dying too. She's a total wackjob. She fits right in with Dean and the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Amazingly, my point is we should take everything his mother says with a grain of salt which is incredibly compatable with the above. Unfortunately, you misinterpret this as me (and the rest of the sensitive right wingers) proclaiming we know CS more than his family. 409961[/snapback] Well every time you would say that you didn't know his view on the war better than his mom, you would follow it up with a statement about how clear you were that his views were not what she says they are because yadda, yadda, yadda. In any event, we seem to be pretty close on this as far as no one having any idea what Casey Sheehan would think of all this if he could tell us. With that ignorance in mind, I don't think that any conclusions on that score are warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Because the Bush PR people need to all be fired. They have the worst marketing skills of any administration since television. 409567[/snapback] Look what they have to work with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Yes, I was actually thinking about this last night. I believe they are using those tactics. I believe if pushed they could probably turn this Sheehan women into their own little bomber if they wanted. Especially since her own loved ones, children and husband are all telling her to STFU and drop it and that she is wrong. Someone has obviously brainwashed and convinced her of a lot of things, and she is following the script to the tee. 409739[/snapback] That sounds just like the GOP in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 How do you manage this schizophrenia? You say you haven't claimed to know her son's views better than his own mother in one sentence and then say that you do the next because "it's clear" to you. Okay, you win. You don't claim to know her son's position on the war better than she but you are sure that his views are not what she says they are because it is clear to you. Makes sense, no contradictions there. 409809[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckey Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?Stor...16-112405-7015r From his side of the family That was her aunt's statement. So what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Feeling lonely Buckey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 That was her aunt's statement. So what. 410211[/snapback] No, it wasn't her aunt, it was Casey Sheehan's aunt - presumably his father's sister and one of Cindy Sheehan's in-laws. Reading comprehension is a B word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 "Pax Americana Imperialism"? Yeah...sounds like words of a Mom...just simply upset that her son died. And a true "patriot", too. Jeez....fuggin DEB doesnt use terms like that! And hand to God honest...I gave this woman a chance....I really did. She came on TV the other night to make her statement, I stopped what I was doing and watched intently to hear what she had to say. I felt her pain and thought she had a legit beef. But about half-way through her spiel, all the crazy nonsense started, and it then took about an additional two seconds for me and everyone in the room, including my wife...not a Bush lover by any means....to realize she's nuts and to see the puppet strings and the empty packets of Kool-Aid on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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