UConn James Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 <gasp> You mean she tricked the media? 412309[/snapback] <Gasp> You mean, she put her time and effort into something she believes in? You don't get more un-American than that!!! Disagree with her for her ideas, I do, but why are you people ragging on her for not wanting to fail? She has just as much right to spew as everyone else... in fact, moreso.
erynthered Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 <Gasp> You mean, she put her time and effort into something she believes in? You don't get more un-American than that!!! Disagree with her for her ideas, I do, but why are you people ragging on her for not wanting to fail? She has just as much right to spew as everyone else... in fact, moreso. 412327[/snapback] You took my sarcasm wrong. I think she should protest, good for her. Its the exploitation of her that sickens me. And if you think she has not been explotated, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in North Dakota.
Reuben Gant Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 You took my sarcasm wrong. I think she should protest, good for her. Its the exploitation of her that sickens me. And if you think she has not been explotated, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in North Dakota. 412342[/snapback] I heard the Canadian Ocean is lovely this time of year.
UConn James Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 (edited) You took my sarcasm wrong. I think she should protest, good for her. Its the exploitation of her that sickens me. And if you think she has not been explotated, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in North Dakota. 412342[/snapback] What you look at as her being exploited by certain parties, you could also say she is exploiting them for her own purpose -- more effectively getting her message out. It's symbiosis/mutual parasitism (not to imply a negative connotation). Wasn't targeting you in my statement... A lot of people are sounding positively pissed that she didn't set herself up to fail. So she hired a PR person. Whoopdy-doo. Edited August 19, 2005 by UConn James
Reuben Gant Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 What you look at as her being exploited by certain parties, you could also say she is exploiting [/i]them[/i] for her own purpose -- more effectively getting her message out. It's symbiosis/mutual parasitism (not to imply a negative connotation). 412360[/snapback] Yes. I think you are right.
erynthered Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 What you look at as her being exploited by certain parties, you could also say she is exploiting [/i]them[/i] for her own purpose -- more effectively getting her message out. It's symbiosis/mutual parasitism (not to imply a negative connotation). 412360[/snapback] Ok, maybe at first. Though she lost any control she may have had about the second day into it. I would suspect she is getting pushed to come back hard by the fringe groups. Hell they're probably telling her its GB fault her mother had a stroke.
Terry Tate Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 That she has become such a lightning rod even if a short lived one, I think, is indicative of something larger. She is seen as a pretty major threat given the reaction all around. - A pretty major threat - The left believes it's own hype, that's some funny stuff.
Mickey Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 - A pretty major threat - The left believes it's own hype, that's some funny stuff. 412450[/snapback] If you follow my posts on this issue, I don't think she is a threat but that the right does hence the "all hacks on deck" response with every one from Limbaugh to Coulter to Hannity etc, etc. trying to destroy this woman. Do try and keep up.
Reuben Gant Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Hey even Pat Buchanan is taking notice: (I can't believe I am linking to WND but here goes) Pat Buchanan's take
Mickey Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 She is just a pawn in this, unfortunately. The main problem is the left-wing machine behind her. That is why the right is working so hard on his. There are key elections next year and the war (and its perception in the public's eye) will be crucial in the campaigning. 411951[/snapback] Considering the latest polls, I can see why the right is getting jittery over the war and the potential effect it can have on the next election cycle. Against that backdrop, in comes Cindy Sheehan. I don't think that the worries reflected in those polls are going to be effected by what happens with this story. I think they are wasting ammunition on her. The steady bad news out of Iraq is the problem, not Sheehan. It has the feel of sideshow.
RkFast Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 <Gasp> You mean, she put her time and effort into something she believes in? You don't get more un-American than that!!! Disagree with her for her ideas, I do, but why are you people ragging on her for not wanting to fail? She has just as much right to spew as everyone else... in fact, moreso. 412327[/snapback] Because shes full of sh--, thats why. She's portraying herself as "poor mom" but she's anything but. If she presented herself say as the founder of United for Peace and Justice does, whose name escapes me at the moment, thats fine. That woman says who she is, who and what she represents and who she is affiliated with before she says one word on-point. Sheehan's whole image is choreographed act....a fraud. She comes up, again with the straw hat and the shirt and pleads like "poor mom" who just heard the news about her son from her tomato garden. But in reality she is and HAS been a major player in the anti-war movement for a while, and is backed by billionaires, movie makers and major political players. She is NOT who she says she is....THAT is the problem.
erynthered Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 If you follow my posts on this issue, I don't think she is a threat but that the right does hence the "all hacks on deck" response with every one from Limbaugh to Coulter to Hannity etc, etc. trying to destroy this woman. Do try and keep up. 412484[/snapback] Not saying I agree with them, but if you're in a boxing match, you better fight back. Wouldnt you say that her life is being directed by other people right now? Or at least was?
Mickey Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Hey even Pat Buchanan is taking notice: (I can't believe I am linking to WND but here goes) Pat Buchanan's take 412487[/snapback] Thanks for the link, that was an interesting piece. This was an especially well made point" "As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down" is President Bush's exit strategy. But how can the Iraqis the U.S. Army is training defeat an enemy the U.S. Army has itself been unable to defeat in two years? Buchanan asks an excellent question.
Mickey Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Not saying I agree with them, but if you're in a boxing match, you better fight back. Wouldnt you say that her life is being directed by other people right now? Or at least was? 412507[/snapback] No idea. Look, if you are the heavy weight champion of the world and some 98 pound poindexter jumps in the ring, flips you the bird and says "Its go time", your best response is to walk away not jump in to the ring and beat him to bloody pulp. No one is going to applaud your having pounded the guy though some will deplore such an unfair fight even if the wimp asked for it. Walk away and you steal his limelight and soon, any audience present will just laugh at the goof's foolishness. All this beating up of Cindy Sheehan is gaining her opponents nothing. Not the best analogy but it is friday and even I am getting tired of Cindy Sheehan.
erynthered Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 No idea. Look, if you are the heavy weight champion of the world and some 98 pound poindexter jumps in the ring, flips you the bird and says "Its go time", your best response is to walk away not jump in to the ring and beat him to bloody pulp. No one is going to applaud your having pounded the guy though some will deplore such an unfair fight even if the wimp asked for it. Walk away and you steal his limelight and soon, any audience present will just laugh at the goof's foolishness. All this beating up of Cindy Sheehan is gaining her opponents nothing. Not the best analogy but it is friday and even I am getting tired of Cindy Sheehan. 412521[/snapback] Your analogy is worse than mine. Giving her a couple of back hands is what she got. Then the movon.org lemmings steped into the ring, the three ring circus ring. She'll be back, you'll see, and with her little dog ToTo too.
SilverNRed Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 No idea. Look, if you are the heavy weight champion of the world and some 98 pound poindexter jumps in the ring412521[/snapback] Stop right there. Again, this isn't some "nobody." This is the fringe left's latest "heavyweight prospect" (can't believe we're staying with the boxing analogy). This isn't Cindy Sheehan who was out in Crawford, it was Cindy Sheehan backed by many rich, powerful people and groups out in Crawford. Is anyone not sick of her at this point?
Chilly Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Stop right there. Again, this isn't some "nobody." This is the fringe left's latest "heavyweight prospect" (can't believe we're staying with the boxing analogy). This isn't Cindy Sheehan who was out in Crawford, it was Cindy Sheehan backed by many rich, powerful people and groups out in Crawford. Is anyone not sick of her at this point? 412653[/snapback] Jesus isn't. Apparently he loves everone.
Wacka Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 The left alwats falls back to the same old tired tactic. Use their own words to show what they really are, and they accuse you of picking on them or being mean spirtied. Again nothing new.
Terry Tate Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 If you follow my posts on this issue, I don't think she is a threat but that the right does hence the "all hacks on deck" response with every one from Limbaugh to Coulter to Hannity etc, etc. trying to destroy this woman. Do try and keep up. Oh, I keep up just fine. You've as much as admitted she's a pawn thrust forward and being funded and used by the left, paraded daily for all to see for on every station, a circus on display - but when the chattering class on the right responds with like venom, it's a sign!
BadDad Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 She is just a pawn in this, unfortunately. The main problem is the left-wing machine behind her. That is why the right is working so hard on his. There are key elections next year and the war (and its perception in the public's eye) will be crucial in the campaigning. 411951[/snapback] Moreso than Terry Schaivo was with the right wing machine behind them? Mr. Frist seems to be already realizing that if his Presidential asperations are to be realized, he must separate himself from the right wing cabal that is presently in power. This house of cards is going to fall soon.
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