Fezmid Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I read about this yesterday, but just heard about the frozen bodies today. That's a pretty terrible way to die... http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/15...rash/index.html CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I read about this yesterday, but just heard about the frozen bodies today. That's a pretty terrible way to die... http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/15...rash/index.html CW 407621[/snapback] The gtragedy is horrible, but mostly reading the article my sense of sorrow keeps getting ditracted by the bizarre and somewhat contradictory accounts and descriptions, particularly those given by officials which I would hope would not invest in dramatic overstatments which simply will confuse relatives already overwhelmd with grief and cause folks to jump to wrong conclusions. I'm not even sure what being "frozen solid" means beyond how folks use to look when Mr. Freeze got them on the old Batman show, but how an official draws a conclusion that folks are frozen solid from an examination of bodies burned by the fire of a plane crash is beyond me. How some frozen solid people are seen by the F-16 jet fighters trying to gain control of the airplane is also beyond me. How a frozen person makes a cellphone call is also a bit of a feat. The reports from witnesses of being frozen solid and also being too hot reported in the article sound a bit contradictory to say the least. The air condiioning problem is probably relevant as some indication of past electrical problems which MAY be a factor in a catastrophic breakdown which led to sudden oxygen lost which overcame the pilot so that he could not bring the plane down to a breathable air level, but the article almost makes it sound like the silliness that people "froze solid" because they set the air conditioner temperature too low. The horror of a plane crash simply deserves better reporting than this article. If its too early to make conclusions from the reports and lack of data then say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted August 15, 2005 Author Share Posted August 15, 2005 but the article almost makes it sound like the silliness that people "froze solid" because they set the air conditioner temperature too low. I didn't get that from the article at all. They think that the cabin depressurized. If it did that while 20,000' in the air, everyone would freeze to death. They also said that the oxygen masks were enabled and that most of the bodies had the masks on. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I heard about it this morning on the news. Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 The reports from witnesses of being frozen solid and also being too hot reported in the article sound a bit contradictory to say the least. 407672[/snapback] It gets cold really quickly once you ascend. At some point it does become well below freezing, even in summer. http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/atmosphere.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 The reports from witnesses of being frozen solid and also being too hot reported in the article sound a bit contradictory to say the least.407672[/snapback] Those were reported complaints from other planes over the last few weeks/months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 for what it is worth, bbc radio is calling the "frozen solid" claim an exagerration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 for what it is worth, bbc radio is calling the "frozen solid" claim an exagerration. 407733[/snapback] I'm no Dungtossingsimian, but if the bodies were, in fact, frozen solid, then when the plane crashed wouldn't all the bodies have shattered? I mean, that's the way it happens in "Demolition Man," so you gotta figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I didn't read the article but I will add that if a plane depressurrized at high altitude, due to lack of oxygen, you get pretty stupid (& uncoordinated) very quickly. Under these conditions, it would be possible to freeze to death (as it does get cold up there). Reminds me of a Payne Stewart joke - He was great under pressure, but not too good w/o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I'm no Dungtossingsimian, but if the bodies were, in fact, frozen solid, then when the plane crashed wouldn't all the bodies have shattered? I mean, that's the way it happens in "Demolition Man," so you gotta figure... 407742[/snapback] Under optimum conditions, it takes about 48-72 hours to freeze a body solid, anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Under optimum conditions, it takes about 48-72 hours to freeze a body solid, anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. 407776[/snapback] Is this going to show up somewhere on the 101 things thread...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Under optimum conditions, it takes about 48-72 hours to freeze a body solid, anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. 407776[/snapback] So you're saying "Demolition Man" wasn't true? Man, that's lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Man Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 So you're saying "Demolition Man" wasn't true? Man, that's lame. 407781[/snapback] Even if the movie wasn't true, at least we all learned that Taco Bell is a five star restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Even if the movie wasn't true, at least we all learned that Taco Bell is a five star restaurant. 407838[/snapback] And at one point the number one song in the country was the Oscar Meyer jingle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 i always wondered how dogs rode in the cargo section of the plane ever open your suitcase immediately after getting picking it up at baggage claim? the contents are freezing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Under optimum conditions, it takes about 48-72 hours to freeze a body solid, anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. 407776[/snapback] I'm not eating at your house anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Man Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I'm not eating at your house anymore. Stop by and have a tasty rat burger with LA...the recipe is from Demolition Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 next time I fly, I'm asking the flight attendant for a blanket before we take off, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 i always wondered how dogs rode in the cargo section of the planeever open your suitcase immediately after getting picking it up at baggage claim? the contents are freezing 407999[/snapback] There is a small area that is pressurized for creatures in the cargo-nose area of the plane. Though, some of the ground crews have put animals in the wrong hold in the past. Its sad to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Huh, I wonder why they didn't just light some candles. It worked in the Day after Tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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