Ralonzo Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 I don't know about that, there were an awful lot of Drew fans around here the last 2 seasons. 406976[/snapback] In fairness, Drew really sucked a lot of us in during those first 8 games. He played to a level he hadn't been at in 10 years, and won't see again. Some of those throws were - dare I say - Jimboesque.
jarthur31 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Nice guy, but an abominal safety. 406915[/snapback] I've been petitioning for this since the end of the 2003 season. Special Teams ace my ass! He is a waste of a roster spot. We were exposed last year when Milloy was injured. This time around we have another SS tho. I wish TD would check his ego and release this guy.
jarthur31 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Was he the one that got worked for that TD? Can't see or hear game. 406928[/snapback] According the NFL Gamecenter, yes, it was he that got burned for that 3rd Q TD!
deep2evans Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 stevewin, regardless of my personal opinion of coy wire, that may have been the funniest post ive ever read on here. congrads on that excellent work.
brihs2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 stevewin, regardless of my personal opinion of coy wire, that may have been the funniest post ive ever read on here. congrads on that excellent work. 407005[/snapback] Here! Here!
Fan in San Diego Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Wire was terrible and Leonhard looked like a player tonight. Also, Wire is a good ST player but comparing him to Tasker is a very big stretch. The Bills have a ton of good ST players, I don't think that they would miss Wire all that much. 406960[/snapback] Dang ! I love your avatar ! Who is that ?
d_wag Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 wire secured his roster spot when he restructured his contract earlier this off-season.......if the bills were going to release him they would have done it then.......cutting him now would cost a lot more against the cap........
buffalo mike Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Wire was terrible and Leonhard looked like a player tonight. Also, Wire is a good ST player but comparing him to Tasker is a very big stretch. The Bills have a ton of good ST players, I don't think that they would miss Wire all that much. 406960[/snapback] What - who's that babe? Sorry can't concentrate.
buffalo mike Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Dang ! I love your avatar !Who is that ? 407015[/snapback] I don't even need a name, just an 8x10.
Buffalo Wing Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 How dare anyone post fact on this board! Especially when it comes to Coy Wire! [sarcasm] When I posted fact on him LAST PRESEASON, I got horribly flamed...and yes, I am still bitter about it. Please, please, please Coach Mularkey, please let him go.
eball Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 coy wire -- look like tarzan, play like jane. great post, stevewin. coy may be a workout warrior and the greatest guy in the world, but he just doesn't have "football smarts" from anything i've seen.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Nice guy, but an abominal safety. 406915[/snapback] One of the strangest things I've witnessed as a Bills fan is Wire's inability to learn to play his position. This is a man who is supposed to be very intelligent. Some have instinct, Wire has instink. He just naturally sucks. The Bills really don't have a backup for Milloy. They can always list Baker or Leonhard as Milloy's backup, but those guys are both centerfielders. My guess is that they cut Wire and carry 3 FS types and Milloy. With the exception of Lindell, the Bills are stacked with special teams players like they never have been before, even during the Tasker/Pike era, and they can endure the loss of Wire, especially if they keep Leonhard.
LabattBlue Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Once again Wire showed that he has no idea how to take an angle when attempting to tackle a moving target coming at him. He completely wiffed at least two or three times. I also agree that he is not the ST demon that some make him out to be. I would have kept Prioleau over Wire any day of the week.
JoeF Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Great post Steve. Safety will never be a natural position for him. He has never crossed the "I instinctfully know what to do back here" line. He is consistently a step or two slow...folks who were at the game were commenting on the seam in the middle of the Bills D--guess why that happens and guess who was back there most of the night. You covered the tackling and angle things very well. One telling thing..he is decent on the blitz--but that is running toward a stationary/slow moving target in most cases..
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 14, 2005 Author Posted August 14, 2005 Once again Wire showed that he has no idea how to take an angle when attempting to tackle a moving target coming at him. He completely wiffed at least two or three times. I also agree that he is not the ST demon that some make him out to be. I would have kept Prioleau over Wire any day of the week. 407088[/snapback] He's just not fluid enough to play in space...he looks like Wile E. Coyote going over the edge of the cliff whenever he has to change direction.
jester43 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Cool - YACWST - Yet Another Coy Wire Sucks Thread - can't be enough of those. I think I'll just repost basically the same thing now every time this subject comes up - my Ode to Coy - a response to the inevitable posts from the Coy Wire Apologists Club, or CWAC. Remember kids - CWAC is Whack! For the last three years the excuses from the Coy crowd have always been - he's only a rookie, he's only a 2nd year player, he's only 3rd year player, he's not playing the position he played in college! Guess what - this is the NFL - if you can't cut it at your position you find something else to do. This is year four - time is up - no more excuses - pack your bags. First off, I've said this a million times - but it is a huge misconception that Wire is some kind of tackling machine. I watched him closely for the last three years, and he was as bad, if not worse, in run support as in coverage. He consistently takes bad angles, is out of position, and over-pursues plays. YES - he did make a great stuffing tackle on James Stewart in a preseason game against Detroit two years ago. If the rules of football were changed so that the runner needed to remain stationary if Coy Wire was lining him up (Freeze!) - Wire would be an all pro. He is most skillfull, however, at jumping on the pile after the player has been stopped (a stationary pile) - one of the best I've ever seen. These deficiencies apply not only when he is playing safety, but anytime he is on the field - be it (God forbid as some have actually now wished for) at LB (?!) and yes, even STs. Now the Coy crowd will exclaim what an special teams demon he is - dare I say Tasker-like? Phhhlooooo (Blasphemy!). This is another part of the overblown myth that is Coy. Such an indispensible special teams player - yet never even led the special teams in tackles. Dominique Stevenson did in 2003 and Pierson Prioleau did last year. The fact that both these players are no longer here tells you that a player should bring more than STs play to stay on this team. Guess what - here is something more for those who continue to insist what an irreplaceable ST player Wire is: not only did Wire never lead the STs in tackles, last year he was not even in the top 4 (four) in ST tackles! Let me repeat that - he was not even the 4th best tackler on our STs last year. from this article: Bills talented ST players comes the following fact: "...so the only time Haggan, Stamer and Crowell get playing time is on special teams. However, that works out wonderfully for the Bills because those three are among the best special-teamers on the club. Last year they ranked 2-3-4 (Stamer 29, Crowell 28, Haggan 23) in special-teams tackles behind the departed Pierson Prioleau." I personally cannot ever recall Wire ever making a great (or even good) open field tackle on a return. I've seen him jump on a lot of piles after returns and see plenty of plays go right by him though. I've also seen him commit a very-boneheaded-very-unST-demon-like roughing the kicker penalty againt Cinn that almost cost us the game. I honestly don't know where this stuff about him being such an irreplaceable ST stud comes from. Also it is very important to understand that this coaching staff does not hesitate to put starters on STs - which mitigates the need for the ST 'specialist' anyway. But wait - the Coy crowd screams grasping for its last Coy Doesn't Suck Straw - he is our STs captain!!!!! Guess what - I was captain of all three of the sports I played in HS - but that didn't mean I was any good at them I started watching Wire the 2nd game of the 2002 season (the Minnesota game) when I kept seeing a player on the screen flying around like an idiot consistently missing play after play thinking "Who the hell is that idiot flying around like an idiot consistently missing play after play!". I soon realized it was Wire - and I watched him for that whole season - and contrary to what some people believe he did suck that whole season - bad. He was horrible. I watched it week after week as I keyed on him each game - out of position, missed tackles, overpursued plays. I saw him in person play The Single Worst Performance By A Defensive Player In The History Of The NFL against Oakland that year (I believe they named an ESPY after him for that). And whenever I said how bad he was the apologists came out - but he's only a rookie! Yes - true - and a really really sucky rookie at that. The next year the Bills brought in any two legged safety they could find (remember Chad Cota?) - they had no faith in Wire's ability. The Coy crowd seem to lament the passing of what could have been Coy's starting spot had not the Bills signed Milloy (!). Some people do not seem to understand this very simple point - the Bills went after Milloy because we didn't have a competent safety at the time - we needed somebody to replace Wire! He played poorly again when he saw action that year (but now as a really really sucky 2nd year player). Then came the embarrassing stupefying hysteria from the Coy crowd last year when Coy was going to make the switch to FS!! Imagine the backfield with Lawyer and Wire back there! Imagine how great that will be! Imagine the potency of the drugs required to actually think Wire could play FS when he couldn't even cover the 10 yards between him and the TE as SS! That experiment lasted about 3 days (as I predicted). And in the action he saw last year it was the same old Coy - watch him impotently flail in the end zone on the on the last play against Jax - watch him do the same thing on the last Rams TD in that game - watch him get beat consistently whenever he is in the game - he still sucks! (but now as a really really sucky 3rd year player!) Was it a coincidence that the Bills season turned around when Milloy came back and Wire was pushed off the field? The bottom line is that Coy is a very nice guy, does a lot of work for charity, is very handsome, would probably look great in little tight shorts with little red hat covered in dirt , can jump out of the shallow end of a pool , ran up a hill with rocks in HS , BUT he simply does not have the talent, skills, ability, or instinct to be a decent player in the NFL. The Coy Wire Experiment was a failed one. He is NOT the next Adam Archuleta - not even the next Adam Retatta. I have never, in 30+ years of watching football, seen a player who sucked so bad have such a loyal following who are completely blinded to his lack of ability on the field. I wish Coy luck in his future - just as long as he is not wearing a Bills jersey in it. 406968[/snapback] i changed my mind. cut his ass.
jester43 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 and i might add that one of his h.s. friends used to work with me and was a real douchebag. cut him for that too.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Another vote for 'Cut Coy Wire'. Man he was terrible last night. Every time he lines up at safety he is simply lost out there. Bad pursuit angles, shoddy tackling, cut his ass. Special teams can't save him anymore, we need that roster spot for younger talent already showing more potential.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Another vote for 'Cut Coy Wire'. Man he was terrible last night. Every time he lines up at safety he is simply lost out there. Bad pursuit angles, shoddy tackling, cut his ass. Special teams can't save him anymore, we need that roster spot for younger talent already showing more potential. 407166[/snapback] Unfortunately, there really isn't anyone on the roster to replace him. I don't think we can have two small, slight, untested UFA free safeties (Baker and Leonhard) being the back-up SS on this team. Frankly, we could have kept Prioleau as the back-up SS and ST ace and cut Wire.
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