/dev/null Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 Maybe they got into an overheated Picard vs Kirk debate
Simon Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 Didn't we have the #1 defense that year?I think we did. Damn, if only we could go back and let the other QB start. Ummm, that "other" QB once started a home playoff game in 1986 for the 14-2 Chicago Bears when JMcMahon was hurt. Despite having one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL in his back pocket, he could only lead his unit to 13 points and the Bears lost. I really doubt he would have fared much better in what was at teh time arguably the league's toughest place to win.
Frez Posted August 13, 2005 Author Posted August 13, 2005 Ummm, that "other" QB once started a home playoff game in 1986 for the 14-2 Chicago Bears when JMcMahon was hurt. Despite having one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL in his back pocket, he could only lead his unit to 13 points and the Bears lost. I really doubt he would have fared much better in what was at teh time arguably the league's toughest place to win. 406731[/snapback] How many games did it take us to find out Rob Johnson is a loser?
buckeyemike Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 Are we still on this? 6 years ago and we're still talking about this crap?!! 406698[/snapback] On this board? Where grudges are held and remembered forever and ever? Surely you jest. Mike
/dev/null Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 Ummm, that "other" QB once started a home playoff game in 1986 for the 14-2 Chicago Bears when JMcMahon was hurt. Despite having one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL in his back pocket, he could only lead his unit to 13 points and the Bears lost. I really doubt he would have fared much better in what was at teh time arguably the league's toughest place to win. 406731[/snapback] McMahon/Flutie is exactly the same situation as Flutie/Johnson. One QB led his team during the regular season. Both had #1 Defenses, but they could have had #32 defenses. The defense has nothing to do with it. Its the other 10 players on offense that are affected when a different QB is in there, playoffs, super bowl, or regular season. The 86 Bears offense was designed with McMahon in mind, not Flutie. The 99 Bills offense was designed with a mobile QB with a noodle arm in mind, not a tackling dummie with a glass jaw
Simon Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 How many games did it take us to find out Rob Johnson is a loser? They were both losers and it didn't matter which one we put on the field McMahon/Flutie is exactly the same situation as Flutie/Johnson. Doug Flutie at no point in his career is in any way comparable to Jim McMahon. Both had #1 Defenses, but they could have had #32 defenses. The defense has nothing to do with it. When you have a great defense you have way more room for error, can focus on protecting the ball instead of gambling for scores and can win with mediocre performances from your offense and ST's. The '86 Bears and '99 Bills provided neither for their D's. Cya
Terry Tate Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 It still bothers me to think Rob Johnson played over our starting QB in that playoff game vs the Titans. Why did Wade bench Flutie? I think thge outcome of the game would have been different if Doug would have played. We had such a good team going into that game and we had to go with a candy ass for a QB. 406638[/snapback] That's when the rest of the platoon's recruits beat Private Frez with bars of soap in the end of a sock.
/dev/null Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 They were both losers and it didn't matter which one we put on the field 406739[/snapback] The Bills 1998: 10-6 1999: 11-5 2000: 8-8 Total: 29-19 Flutie 1998: 8-3 1999: 10-5 2000: 4-1 Total: 22-9 22-9 != Loser
jarthur31 Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 It still bothers me to think Rob Johnson played over our starting QB in that playoff game vs the Titans. Why did Wade bench Flutie? I think thge outcome of the game would have been different if Doug would have played. We had such a good team going into that game and we had to go with a candy ass for a QB. 406638[/snapback] I feel sorry for you if you need to discuss this again. Perhaps, you had forgotten the little one's performance in the playoffs just the year before. The other QB actually lead us to victory but some idiot on ST decided to take a play off. I thought wins and losses were a measure of success on this board? P.S., I'm smart enought to know that the defense won us that game, BTW. Those blinded by bitter jealousy won't. How sad.
Dr. K Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 McMahon/Flutie is exactly the same situation as Flutie/Johnson. One QB led his team during the regular season. Both had #1 Defenses, but they could have had #32 defenses. The defense has nothing to do with it. Its the other 10 players on offense that are affected when a different QB is in there, playoffs, super bowl, or regular season. The 86 Bears offense was designed with McMahon in mind, not Flutie. The 99 Bills offense was designed with a mobile QB with a noodle arm in mind, not a tackling dummie with a glass jaw 406738[/snapback] YOu forget that the Bills' offiense under Flutie had beenplaying like crap the second half of that season, showing a painful inability to score, and winning only becasue of the defense. A lot of people thought Floutie had lost whatever surprise benefit he had had in his first season and a half. In the last five games Flutie started that season, the Bills scored 7, 17, 17, 31 (against the Arizon Cardinals, the worst team in theleague, with a kick return giving the final 7 points of that game in the last minute of play) and 13 points, lost two of the five games,and won theother two by seven and three points. So in the last regular season game, after the Bills had clinched a playoff birth, Wade decided to start Rob Johnson against the Colts, who at that point were 14-2 or thereabouts, and fighting with Jacksonville for home field advantage throughout the post season. Rob Johnson, that terrible quarterback, took the moribund Bills offense and completely destroyed the Colts, picking them apart, and the Bills won 31-6. I remember SDS's head exploding after the game. So Wade made the switch and called on Johnson to start the game against Tennessee. The Flutie fanatics were furious. It's only in 20-20 hindsight, after the Forward lateral, and using convenient amnesia of where the Bills were at that point in their season, that everyone said the Bills would do better with Flutie at QB. Please spare me the "We would have scored thirty point if Dougie had started BS."
BRH Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 Why are we even discussing this considering we have still not resolved why Todd Collins was benched for Alex Van Pelt after that Broncos game. 406700[/snapback] The only people who should have lost their jobs after that Broncos game were John Fina and Dan Henning. Anyone who remembers that fuggin reverse will know what I'm talking about.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 IMHO, if Rob Johnson wins that game, he is still QB of the Bills today. He led that last drive in the mud with one shoe. Fans love that sh-t.
jarthur31 Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 YOu forget that the Bills' offiense under Flutie had beenplaying like crap the second half of that season, showing a painful inability to score, and winning only becasue of the defense. A lot of people thought Floutie had lost whatever surprise benefit he had had in his first season and a half. In the last five games Flutie started that season, the Bills scored 7, 17, 17, 31 (against the Arizon Cardinals, the worst team in theleague, with a kick return giving the final 7 points of that game in the last minute of play) and 13 points, lost two of the five games,and won theother two by seven and three points. So in the last regular season game, after the Bills had clinched a playoff birth, Wade decided to start Rob Johnson against the Colts, who at that point were 14-2 or thereabouts, and fighting with Jacksonville for home field advantage throughout the post season. Rob Johnson, that terrible quarterback, took the moribund Bills offense and completely destroyed the Colts, picking them apart, and the Bills won 31-6. I remember SDS's head exploding after the game. So Wade made the switch and called on Johnson to start the game against Tennessee. The Flutie fanatics were furious. It's only in 20-20 hindsight, after the Forward lateral, and using convenient amnesia of where the Bills were at that point in their season, that everyone said the Bills would do better with Flutie at QB. Please spare me the "We would have scored thirty point if Dougie had started BS." 406765[/snapback] Your logic will only serve to get you banned from this board.
Brandon Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 YOu forget that the Bills' offiense under Flutie had beenplaying like crap the second half of that season, showing a painful inability to score, and winning only becasue of the defense. A lot of people thought Floutie had lost whatever surprise benefit he had had in his first season and a half. In the last five games Flutie started that season, the Bills scored 7, 17, 17, 31 (against the Arizon Cardinals, the worst team in theleague, with a kick return giving the final 7 points of that game in the last minute of play) and 13 points, lost two of the five games,and won theother two by seven and three points. So in the last regular season game, after the Bills had clinched a playoff birth, Wade decided to start Rob Johnson against the Colts, who at that point were 14-2 or thereabouts, and fighting with Jacksonville for home field advantage throughout the post season. Rob Johnson, that terrible quarterback, took the moribund Bills offense and completely destroyed the Colts, picking them apart, and the Bills won 31-6. I remember SDS's head exploding after the game. So Wade made the switch and called on Johnson to start the game against Tennessee. The Flutie fanatics were furious. It's only in 20-20 hindsight, after the Forward lateral, and using convenient amnesia of where the Bills were at that point in their season, that everyone said the Bills would do better with Flutie at QB. Please spare me the "We would have scored thirty point if Dougie had started BS." 406765[/snapback] That sounds about right. My only question is why Wade didn't pull the plug on Flutie before he did. In hindsight, the ultimate irony for the Flutie fans is that had Wade benched him a month earlier as he should have, Flutie would have likely started the Titans playoff game after RJ inevitably got injured in the final month of the regular season.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 How anyone can blame Rob for that playoff loss when he walked-off the field with the lead and was getting killed because the O-line was missing 2 starters and had another 2 playing out of position, is beyond me! Let it go anyway, people. Both proved they sucked the following year.
Like A Mofo Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Are we still on this? 6 years ago and we're still talking about this crap?!! 406698[/snapback] And 6 more years from now there will be someone else starting this thread again!!!!
Ghost of BiB Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 Because the refs were blowing fowls 407060[/snapback] Is that possible?
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