Rich in Ohio Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 All i have to say is WOW, this guy gets more insane every time he speaks (or should I say screams). Recently he has made deans scream seem more like a sigh. I do not see how this can help kerry one little bit. While it may be just the kind of red meat hate speech that the far out left feeds on, it is nothing more then the poster child for everything that is wrong with the left to normal people who have yet to make up thier minds with regards to who they will vote for in November. Lets just take a look at the latest hate remarks he made: How about this little favorite: When Gore, in an interview with The New Yorker, compared Bush's faith to "the same fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" and elsewhere. Whew....I am so glad that he squared that away. This guy has totally lost it. He has not only porked out like some out of control twinky munching freak, but he has taken vein popping rants to a new level. All I can say is keep up the good work algore....we could not appreciate it more. Just as a side note, could you imagine in yur wildest dreams what the world would be like if this assclown had actually won the election, and had his finger on the botton everynite?
KD in CA Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 Scary to think how close we came to having someone that mentally unstable in the White House.
Benjamin Franklin Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 Lets just take a look at the latest hate remarks he made: How about this little favorite: When Gore, in an interview with The New Yorker, compared Bush's faith to "the same fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" and elsewhere. Whew....I am so glad that he squared that away. Here's a little more context from the New Yorker. I agree with Gore. In this light, it scares the living spit out of me that Bush's finger is on the button and Ashcroft's hands are around our necks. Gore’s mouth tightened. A Southern Baptist, he, too, had declared himself born again, but he clearly had disdain for Bush’s public kind of faith. “It’s a particular kind of religiosity,” he said. “It’s the American version of the same fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia, in Kashmir, in religions around the world: Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Muslim. They all have certain features in common. In a world of disconcerting change, when large and complex forces threaten familiar and comfortable guideposts, the natural impulse is to grab hold of the tree trunk that seems to have the deepest roots and hold on for dear life and never question the possibility that it’s not going to be the source of your salvation. And the deepest roots are in philosophical and religious traditions that go way back. You don’t hear very much from them about the Sermon on the Mount, you don’t hear very much about the teachings of Jesus on giving to the poor, or the beatitudes. It’s the vengeance, the brimstone.”
MichFan Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 Yet another issue that I can't understand why the Dems want debated at this point. The idea of Bush being fundamentalist is not going to gain any inertia. Using biblical references of personal compassion to imply that government should tax more and provide more for it's people is not either. The Dems have already differentiated Kerry from Bush's moral guidance on issues such as abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research. Funny thing is that they both have the same values basically on these issues, but Kerry takes opposite positions for sake of public policy while Bush sticks by his moral convictions. That is what voters are going to assess. Liberals hate the idea that Bush uses morality to curb increased liberalization of society. Conservatives hate that Kerry will let the morality of society to continue a perceived decline. Perhaps the Dems sense they are losing on social issues and hope to cloud voters' judgement of Bush by making his convictions something to be scared of rather than admired. I can't wait for CBS to provide documentation of a Bush fatwah...
Mickey Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 Why is it when a democrat takes a position on a so-called "moral issue" that attracts support from the democratic base, he is accused of "pandering for votes" but when Bush takes a position on such an issue that reflects and attracts his base, he is showing the "strength of his moral convictions?" Bush gives them the fire and brim stone they want when he is raising cash in front of a crowd of the faithful and then gives up the "compassionate conservative" stuff when he is front of a mixed crowd. Kerry is not much different. Gore is getting at something far deeper than a particular position on stem cell research. What we fear on the left when it comes to fundamentalists is the impossibility and futility of debate. If you take a postion that we should have a stop sign at a given intersection and I take the opposite view, I can debate the issue with you using traffic studies and empirical data. You can do the same and presumably, the best evidence and argument will win and the community benefits. In such a debate, there would be little or nothing to be gained by attacking eachother personally or on a moral level. That makes it easy for us to share a beer afterwards or to stand shoulder to shoulder and stuff sandbags to stave off a flood or join together in some other fashion to face a threat to our community. If, however, you drag God in to the debate then the whole character of resolving community issues changes. You don't need empirical studies because God has willied it. You don't need a traffic study, it is God's will. In disagreeing with you, I am defying God's will. Now I am much more than a mere political opponent on an obscure issue. Now I am someting much worse. Suddenly, my morality and character are at issue because if I am not morally clean enough, who can trust my words as to the wisdom of a stop sign? Isn't any attack against me justified because I have an "atheist" agenda? The debate becomes impossible in that it can't conclude in a consensus decision. Even if I win, your adherents can't ever accept something that is contrary to God's will so you must continue the fight long after the vote is taken. It becomes a perpetual dispute that is never settled. How can we join for the common good after such a fight? How can I work with someone who has cast me as some imagined demon, assailed my character and pitted me against God? How can I stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who has, in the public square, denounced me as a baby-killing, cowardly homosexual pederast traitor? What response can I have but to attack your own morality to show you to be a hypocrite? If you disprove my argument with a good traffic study, my belief system is not put under assault. I can be wrong and actually survive. If you put God on the line, you can't afford to lose, you can't admit being wrong. The divine is never wrong. Piety has its place.
OGTEleven Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 If, however, you drag God in to the debate then the whole character of resolving community issues changes. You don't need empirical studies because God has willied it. You don't need a traffic study, it is God's will. In disagreeing with you, I am defying God's will. Now I am much more than a mere political opponent on an obscure issue. Now I am someting much worse. Suddenly, my morality and character are at issue because if I am not morally clean enough, who can trust my words as to the wisdom of a stop sign? Isn't any attack against me justified because I have an "atheist" agenda? The debate becomes impossible in that it can't conclude in a consensus decision. Even if I win, your adherents can't ever accept something that is contrary to God's will so you must continue the fight long after the vote is taken. It becomes a perpetual dispute that is never settled. Piety has its place. 29689[/snapback] Funny. If you substitute the goverment for God in that paragraph you reverse the situation entirely. Evil republicans who don't want the government to be in charge of everything are frequently accused of wanting to starve children and deny medicine to old people. If you don't agree that the government should control the health system you want everyone to die. If you are against gun control you are for murderers running rampant. If you are against embryonic stem cell research or even have some doubt, you want cancer and every other disease to exist unabated. It becomes hard to deal with people that automatically think you're evil because you don't worship government. It all lies in the framing of the argument. Gore is way off base in trying to describe Bush as a simpleton and a zealot with one broad stroke. I'm not sure what question he was answering, but I am sure I don't want more attacks being planned or carried out while he studies the complexities of the situation so that he may remain above it all in his own overly academic and action averse mind.
MichFan Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 If someone were to use God to refute your empirical data on placement of a Stop sign, I would be very scared of them. If someone invokes God when talking about issues such as abortion or gay marriage, it is a legitimate consideration to many in this country. If it didn't come out in a public debate where civility is expected, I'd hate to see the scene at the bar when these people were drinking together and really opened up. Some people just aren't meant to be drinking buddies. Kerry and Bush both talk about God, and both express very similar religious beliefs. Bush stands by his convictions. Kerry is either pandering for votes from the religious community or he routinely sacrifices his personal beliefs for the "advancement of society". Being a Boston Catholic, I guess the idea that his actions may contradict his personal beliefs isn't much of a stretch. (Note: I'm Catholic so please no remarks about religious intolerance.)
Alaska Darin Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 Al Gore = Jabba the Hutt 29795[/snapback] He sure hasn't missed many meals since losing Florida. He ought to try a few more "push aways."
SilverNRed Posted September 14, 2004 Posted September 14, 2004 Al Gore = Jabba the Hutt 29795[/snapback] Looks like someone spliced some Ted Kennedy DNA into the guy.
KD in CA Posted September 14, 2004 Posted September 14, 2004 Dedicated to ALGORE...a little Talking Heads: I can't seem to face up to the facts I'm tense and nervous and I Can't relax I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire Don't touch me I'm a real live wire Psycho Killer Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away Psycho Killer Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away You start a conversation you can't even finish it. You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything. When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed. Say something once, why say it again? Psycho Killer, Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away Psycho Killer Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away Ce que j'ai fais, ce soir la Ce qu'elle a dit, ce soir la Realisant mon espoir Je me lance, vers la gloire ... OK We are vain and we are blind I hate people when they're not polite Psycho Killer, Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away Psycho Killer, Qu'est-ce que c'est fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better Run run run run run run run away oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh....
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted September 14, 2004 Posted September 14, 2004 Jerry Nadler's liposuction tube must have been connected to Gore.
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