Coy Wire?

[ThePebble19]

Was talking to a friend at work here in PA, right outside of where Coy grew up and went to high school, and he said that he talked to Coy last week and he mentioned that he and his father are doing some charity work now because Coy got cut...is this true, or is my friend just misinformed??

 

I personally like Coy Wire...I think he should be bulking up a little more and playing linebacker, cause he can't cover my grandma, but I like him as a run stuffer...

[LabattBlue]

Was talking to a friend at work here in PA, right outside of where Coy grew up and went to high school, and he said that he talked to Coy last week and he mentioned that he and his father are doing some charity work now because Coy got cut...is this true, or is my friend just misinformed??

 

I personally like Coy Wire...I think he should be bulking up a little more and playing linebacker, cause he can't cover my grandma, but I like him as a run stuffer...

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The only thing of note on Wire so far this year, is how far he can turn his head around as he looks over his shoulder watching the competition coming to take his job.

[cåblelady]

The only thing of note on Wire so far this year, is how far he can turn his head around as he looks over his shoulder watching the competition coming to take his job.

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I saw him in one of Mike's videos shot at training camp......unless someone else is wearing 27.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

He was definitely in camp as of Monday.

[ThePebble19]

Cool. Thanks a lot. Wish I could be up there to see some of Bills training camp...So, to feed my training camp fix, I am going to take the 2 hour trip eastward to check out...::shudders::...Eagles camp on Saturday...gosh I hate PA teams...maybe I'll get to throw some ice at T.O. or something.

[rockpile]

Cool.  Thanks a lot.  Wish I could be up there to see some of Bills training camp...So, to feed my training camp fix, I am going to take the 2 hour trip eastward to check out...::shudders::...Eagles camp on Saturday...gosh I hate PA teams...maybe I'll get to throw some ice at T.O. or something.

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He was there today too. He has bulked up a lot since last year, but is still not on the 1st team.

[ThePebble19]

He was there today too. He has bulked up a lot since last year, but is still not on the 1st team.

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Good to see that he is bulking up...I like him, maybe I'm just biased because I saw him play High School ball down here, and he's from the same town that I lived in since we moved here from Buffalo, but I think he's a tough kid...great locker room guy to say the least.

[stevewin]

Was talking to a friend at work here in PA, right outside of where Coy grew up and went to high school, and he said that he talked to Coy last week and he mentioned that he and his father are doing some charity work now because Coy got cut...is this true, or is my friend just misinformed??

 

I personally like Coy Wire...I think he should be bulking up a little more and playing linebacker, cause he can't cover my grandma, but I like him as a run stuffer...

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Your friend merely has acute ESP.

 

I've said this a million times - and will get flamed by all the Coy lovers - but it is a huge misconception that Wire is some kind of tackling machine. I watched him closely for thee last three years, and he was as bad, if not worse, in run support as in coverage. He consistently takes bad angles, is out of position, and over-pursues plays. YES - he did make a great stuffing tackle on James Stewart in a preseason game against Detroit two years ago. If the rules of football were changed so that the runner needed to remain stationary if Coy Wire was lining him up (Freeze!) - Wire would be an all pro. He is most skillfull, however, at jumping on the pile after the player has been stopped (a stationary pile) - one of the best I've ever seen.

 

For the last three years the excuses from the Coy crowd have always been - he's only a rookie, he's only a 2nd year player, he's only 3rd year player, he's not playing the position he played in college! Guess what - this is the NFL - if you can't cut it at your position you find something else to do. This is year four - time is up - no more excuses - pack your bags.

 

Next the Coy crowd will exclaim what an special teams demon he is - dare I say Tasker-like? Phhhlooooo (Blasphemy!). This is another part of the overblown myth that is Coy. Such an indispensible special teams player - yet never even led the special teams in tackles. Dominique Stevenson did in 2003 and Pierson Prioleau did last year. The fact that both these players are no longer here tells you that a player should bring more than STs play to stay on this team. And IMO his ST prowess is also waaaaaayyy overstated. I personally cannot recall Wire ever making a great open field tackle on a return. The other factor to consider is that this coaching staff does not hesitate to put starters on STs - which mitigates the need for the ST 'specialist'.

 

But wait - the Coy crowd screams grasping for its last Coy Doesn't Suck Straw - he is our STs captain!!!!! Guess what - I was captain of all three of the sports I played in HS - but that didn't mean I was any good at them

 

I started watching Wire the 2nd game of the 2002 season (the Minnesota game) when I kept seeing a player on the screen flying around missing play after play thinking "Who the hell is that idiot running around like an idiot consistently missing plays?!". I soon realized it was Wire - and I watched him for that whole season - and contrary to what some people believe he did suck that whole season - bad. He was horrible. I watched it week after week as I keyed on him each game - out of position, missed tackles, overpursued plays. I saw him in person play The Single Worst Performance By A Defensive Player In The History Of The NFL against Oakland that year (I believe they named an ESPY after him for that). And whenever I said how bad he was the apologists came out - but he's only a rookie! Yes - true - and a really really sucky rookie at that.

 

The next year the Bills brought in any two legged safety they could find (remember Chad Cota?) - they had no faith in Wire's ability. The Coy crowd seem to lament the passing of what could have been Coy's starting spot had not the Bills signed Milloy (!). Some people do not seem to understand this very simple point - the Bills went after Milloy because we didn't have a competent safety at the time - we needed somebody to replace Wire! He played poorly again when he saw action that year (but now as a really really sucky 2nd year player). Then came the embarrassing stupefying hysteria from the Coy crowd last year when Coy was going to make the switch to FS!! Imagine the backfield with Lawyer and Wire back there! Imagine how great that will be! Imagine the potency of the drugs required to actually think Wire could play FS when he couldn't even cover the 10 yards between him and the TE as SS! That experiment lasted about 3 days (as I predicted). And in the action he saw last year it was the same old Coy - watch him impotently flail in the end zone on the on the last play against Jax - watch him do the same thing on the last Rams TD in that game - watch him get beat consistently whenever he is in the game - he still sucks! (but now as a really really sucky 3rd year player!) Was it a coincidence that the Bills season turned around when Milloy came back and Wire was pushed off the field?

 

The bottom line is that Coy is a very nice guy, does a lot of work for charity, is very handsome, would probably look great in little tight shorts with little red hat covered in dirt , can jump out of the shallow end of a pool , ran up a hill with rocks in HS , BUT he simply does not have the talent, skills, ability, or instinct to be a decent player in the NFL.

 

The Coy Wire Experiment was a failed one. He is NOT the next Adam Archuleta - not even the next Adam Retatta. I have never, in 30+ years of watching football, seen a player who sucked so bad have such a loyal following who are completely blinded to his lack of ability on the field. I wish Coy luck in his future - just as long as he is not wearing a Bills jersey in it.

[Nanker]

Your friend merely has acute ESP.

 

I've said this a million times - and will get flamed by all the Coy lovers - but it is a huge misconception that Wire is some kind of tackling machine.  I watched him closely for thee last three years, and he was as bad, if not worse, in run support as in coverage.  He consistently takes bad angles, is out of position, and over-pursues plays.  YES - he did make a great stuffing tackle on James Stewart in a preseason game against Detroit two years ago.  If the rules of football were changed so that the runner needed to remain stationary if Coy Wire was lining him up (Freeze!) - Wire would be an all pro.  He is most skillfull, however, at jumping on the pile after the player has been stopped (a stationary pile) - one of the best I've ever seen.

 

For the last three years the excuses from the Coy crowd have always been - he's only a rookie, he's only a 2nd year player, he's only 3rd year player, he's not playing the position he played in college!  Guess what - this is the NFL - if you can't cut it at your position you find something else to do.  This is year four - time is up - no more excuses - pack your bags.

 

Next the Coy crowd will exclaim what an special teams demon he is - dare I say Tasker-like?  Phhhlooooo (Blasphemy!).  This is another part of the overblown myth that is Coy.  Such an indispensible special teams player - yet never even led the special teams in tackles.  Dominique Stevenson did in 2003 and Pierson Prioleau did last year.  The fact that both these players are no longer here tells you that a player should bring more than STs play to stay on this team.  And IMO his ST prowess is also waaaaaayyy overstated.  I personally cannot recall Wire ever making a great open field tackle on a return.  The other factor to consider is that this coaching staff does not hesitate to put starters on STs - which mitigates the need for the ST 'specialist'.

 

But wait - the Coy crowd screams grasping for its last Coy Doesn't Suck Straw - he is our STs captain!!!!!  Guess what - I was captain of all three of the sports I played in HS - but that didn't mean I was any good at them 

 

I started watching Wire the 2nd game of the 2002 season (the Minnesota game) when I kept seeing a player on the screen flying around missing play after play thinking "Who the hell is that idiot running around like an idiot consistently missing plays?!".  I soon realized it was Wire - and I watched him for that whole season - and contrary to what some people believe he did suck that whole season - bad.  He was horrible.  I watched it week after week as I keyed on him each game - out of position, missed tackles, overpursued plays.  I saw him in person play The Single Worst Performance By A Defensive Player In The History Of The NFL against Oakland that year (I believe they named an ESPY after him for that).  And whenever I said how bad he was the apologists came out - but he's only a rookie!  Yes - true - and a really really sucky rookie at that.

 

The next year the Bills brought in any two legged safety they could find (remember Chad Cota?) - they had no faith in Wire's ability.  The Coy crowd seem to lament the passing of what could have been Coy's starting spot had not the Bills signed Milloy (!).  Some people do not seem to understand this very simple point - the Bills went after Milloy because we didn't have a competent safety at the time - we needed somebody to replace Wire!  He played poorly again when he saw action that year (but now as a really really sucky 2nd year player). Then came the embarrassing stupefying hysteria from the Coy crowd last year when Coy was going to make the switch to FS!!  Imagine the backfield with Lawyer and Wire back there!  Imagine how great that will be!  Imagine the potency of the drugs required to actually think Wire could play FS when he couldn't even cover the 10 yards between him and the TE as SS!  That experiment lasted about 3 days (as I predicted).    And in the action he saw last year it was the same old Coy - watch him impotently flail in the end zone on the on the last play against Jax - watch him do the same thing on the last Rams TD in that game - watch him get beat consistently whenever he is in the game - he still sucks! (but now as a really really sucky 3rd year player!)  Was it a coincidence that the Bills season turned around when Milloy came back and Wire was pushed off the field?

 

The bottom line is that Coy is a very nice guy, does a lot of work for charity, is very handsome, would probably look great in little tight shorts with little red hat covered in dirt  , can jump out of the shallow end of a pool  , ran up a hill with rocks in HS    , BUT he simply does not have the talent, skills, ability, or instinct to be a decent player in the NFL.

 

The Coy Wire Experiment was a failed one.  He is NOT the next Adam Archuleta - not even the next Adam Retatta.  I have never, in 30+ years of watching football, seen a player who sucked so bad have such a loyal following who are completely blinded to his lack of ability on the field.  I wish Coy luck in his future - just as long as he is not wearing a Bills jersey in it.

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Now you want to tell us how you feel about Coy?

Go ahead. But support your feelings with some facts next time!

 

 

PS congrats on swimming upstream on this one.

[LabattBlue]

...The Coy Wire Experiment was a failed one.  He is NOT the next Adam Archuleta - not even the next Adam Retatta.  I have never, in 30+ years of watching football, seen a player who sucked so bad have such a loyal following who are completely blinded to his lack of ability on the field.  I wish Coy luck in his future - just as long as he is not wearing a Bills jersey in it.

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Bravo! What a masterpiece.

 

 

PS I would only add one thing. The ST demon Coy Wire did not even dress for the crucial game against Pittsburgh last year.

[#89]

He is there and has added more bulk to the upper half of his body.

He is still a good Special teams guy.

[Fake-Fat Sunny]

I guess I am part of the Coy crowd based on the post above which seems to find fault with those from the Wire relatives view that he should be starting over Milloy to the folks who see some ST potential in him.

 

Count me in the potential group as I have seen some positive aspects to his game, but I certainly do not count myself as part of the Coy crowd since I agree that he has not paid off for the Bills as a player and in fact he has been a negative for this team

 

(for those who demand specifics: 1. His first season was that of a player starting at safety who had never played safety at any level of organized ball in his career. The best that could be said about his play at SS IMHO is the backhanded compliment that I would have expected the performance to be much worse from a player who went from college LB to starting SS as a rookie. The fact that he was slotted in as the starting SS and was "mere;y" picked on a lot rather than all the time was actually testimony that he had some good football instincts and good demographics as a player. His rookie play defined the cliche that potential simply means you haven't done anything yet. 2. His second season saw these failings reflected not only in the attempts to find an answer in Cota and Battles but that the deficit left by their requirements got even tight-fisted TD to pay through the nose for Milloy because the market required you do that to get him. Wire demonstrated that pass pro was still an adventure for him as we only maintained the shutout 31-0 which started the season on his hopes against NE when he had to take a pass interference in the endzone rather than give up the long TD pass in that game. Intelligently GW realized the errors of his ways when his misreading of how much Jenkins had left forced him to go with Wire, but he stupidly took his ST guys advice and sent Wire in to block a punt against CIN and the resulting rushing the kicker penalty forced us into an OT win we pulled out as a Wire unschooled in ST duty took an impossible angle in an attempt to block the kick. 3. Wire's third season acually showed some improvement in ST work from what I could see, but i wish he had gotten this training as a rookie instead of wasting his and the Bills time trying to mold him into a safety role he was not trained for and might not ever be ready for.

 

At any rate, I think you declare Wire a done deal as a failed player a bit too early. He may easily end up as a failed player though I still attribute much of this to him being poorly employed and used by GW/Gray than necessarily to a lack of talent.

 

My observations are:

 

1. Usage last year- In my mind Wire was surpassed by both Rashad Baker and Pierson Prioleau as the Bills answers at safety if Milloy and Vincent were not ready to go. However, the cut of prioleau due to cap issues gives Wire a shot at being our fourth best safety (the Bills have used the two positions somewhat interchangeably under Gray). ST play kicks in strongly here in setting the roster, but given that the Bills have at times been willing to keep 5 safties Wire will likely be one of them.

2. ST play- The Bills seem more likely to rely on back-up LBs like Haggan and Crowell and a WR like Aiken playing a pivotal gunner role or a Londong Fletcher or Reed as a short return guy than Wire. However, Wire did register well over double digit numbers in tackles last year and will get a shot to prove himself this year.

 

Our predictions of what happens will be easily surpassed by the reality of what happens on the field. While he has never produced as a Bill the way we wanted or he should have, the horrible usage and development he received under GW is clear and his failure to start against Pitts could be an idicator of a judgementbyy MM/Gray of his quality or be an indicator of some nagging injury which made another player a better choice in this final game of the season.

3. Overall- Wire is a smart boy as seen by him getting into and graduating from Stanford. he is a high character guy as seen by his charity involvement and by his being named one of the captains of the ST at one point in his career. Finally he uis a good athlete as shown by it being even a thought he could step up and play safety as a pro after never playing there. He was not good enough to really be a starter at safety, but this failing is not proof at all that he is no athlete. In fact it indicates that he does have some "potential". Whether he can turn that into actually doing something remains to be seen but we will see it or not on the field this year.

[stevewin]

FFS - as usual I appreciate the thoughtful analysis - but I still disagree with some of your thoughts

 

Intelligently GW realized the errors of his ways when his misreading of how much Jenkins had left forced him to go with Wire, but he stupidly took his ST guys advice and sent Wire in to block a punt against CIN and the resulting rushing the kicker penalty forced us into an OT win we pulled out as a Wire unschooled in ST duty took an impossible angle in an attempt to block the kick.

First of all - I actually held back in my orignal post - I said I never saw him make a great open field tackle on STs - I was also going to say I never saw him block a kick either - but did see him almost blow the game against CINN w/ a very stupid roughing the kicker penalty (very UN-ST-demon-like).

Look at what you've written above - it is exactly the kind of talk which drives me crazy when people talk about this player. He made a horribly bad play - yet you seem to excuse him entirely for it - you blame GW for Wire's stupid play? And what is this carp about the inappropriateness of asking an 'unschooled' Wire to miraculously actually execute a block w/o getting a penalty. I thought he was our best STs player??!?!? Why is he not accountable for not knowing how to block a kick after 2 yrs in the league playing STs? We're not allowed to send our 'ST demon' in to block a kick? We have to hold him back because we don't think he can do it without getting a penalty? Our ST ace? Do you realize how ludicrous this sounds?

 

3. Wire's third season acually showed some improvement in ST work from what I could see, but i wish he had gotten this training as a rookie instead of wasting his and the Bills time trying to mold him into a safety role he was not trained for and might not ever be ready for.

IMO if you are on a football team, you need to be competent in your given position on offense/defense - and be expected to be able to play that role halfway decently - UNLESS you are in the caliber of a real ST specialist like Tasker (who also WAS a good receiver BTW) - WHICH WIRE IS NOT. He is a good ST player - that is all. I simply do not understand your logic that they should take a roster spot for an unproven rookie to do nothing but groom him to be a ST superstar and have no expectation for him to play defense. That simply doesn't make any sense - of course he is expected to play a position on defense - and he needs to produce there like everyone else.

 

At any rate, I think you declare Wire a done deal as a failed player a bit too early. He may easily end up as a failed player though I still attribute much of this to him being poorly employed and used by GW/Gray than necessarily to a lack of talent.

At what point is Wire responsible for his own play? He was drafted - was too small and not good enough to play linebacker - so they made him a safety. It doesn't matter if it is hard to make that transition - that is the position he needed to be able to play in order to play in the NFL. I don't care if he was a cheerleader in college - right now he's a safety on an NFL roster. If you would prefer that they did not try to make him a safety - then he had no business being on the team or in the NFL!

The plays I've seen over and over - not being able to cover, missing tackles, overpursuit, bad angles are EXACTLY lack of talent! These are the things which successful NFL players do not do! I love when people say - oh - put him at linebacker - his natural position. Well guess what - a linebacker still has to cover people and tackle. An then my response to people who say - well - a linebacker is playing closer to the line of scrimmage - I can tell you honestly the majority of the bad plays I've seen are exactly near where linebackers would be playing (don't forget the role of SS in our defense). Why can't we just stop making excuses and trying to figure out how to make him good? The fact is he's not very good. Sorry.

 

The horrible usage and development he received under GW is clear

Once again I do not buy this. Hundreds of players in the NFL are thrown into difficult positions and expected to produce. If anything he's been given more opportunity and support than most young (marginal) players. It's been four years - if he hasn't go it by now (indeed - it was obvous after two years IMO) - he's never going to.

[Fake-Fat Sunny]

FFS - as usual I appreciate the thoughtful analysis - but I still disagree with some of your thoughts

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Thanks also for your comments and perspectives on this and on other broader issues regarding our Bills.

 

I don't think there is much of a need to troll through the details because I actually think we agree in our assessment of Wire's failings as a player.

 

He flat out has been a disappointment in terms of his Bills production and the results of his play. I think to some extent where we may disagree in terms of the context we place around the events we agree on and our shared judgment that these events are one of failure.

 

Its not that the failings of GW and others in developing Wire lets Wire off the hook. In fact, for me the game is ultimately played on the field and it is the players rather than the coaches or GM who win or lose the game. I has always been my sense that 89% or more of HCs are the same in that they work out in some scenarios and situations (Marv Levy with the Bills) or they are complete dogs in other situations (Marv Levy with KC. In essence it was the same Marv Levy (a lil more experienced with the Bills so he would not try to run the single wing). The same is true for most (even Bill Belichick as it was the same guy who simply sucked as HC of Cleveland, was duplicitous or at best stupid when he took and ran from the NYJ, and is clearly the best HC far and away in the game with NE right now) HCs. It is really the 20% or less of HCs that can either win or lose wherever they go because they bring something special to the job. The sorry thing is that most of these 20% are Rich Kotites who can lose anywhere rather than Bill Parcells who can win anywhere.

 

At any rate, I agree that Wire is ultimately responsible for playing well or playiing poorly. I'm not sure if blame is the word we want to use to describe this since the penalty for playing poorly in the NL is that you only get to make a lot of money instead of a whole lot of money.

 

Yet, my sense of the failings of GW does not let Wire off the hook, nor also does Wire's limitations let GW off the hook.

 

While as TD has been reminded by his missteps while good kickers are not necessarily a dime a dozen in the NFL, butchered and failed player careers are not rare. I think the Wire case is of interest to Bills fans and football watchers because this case seems to represent a pretty clear set of development errors and decisions associated with his play.

 

1. The Bills signed foomer Houston Oiler Jenkins with the idea that he would be our starting SS and this clearly and demonstrably was wrong. They drafted Wire in the 3rd and no one though this was a killer reach best as I can remember. However, if he had been drafted with the idea that he was going to be our starting SS, this would have been and turned out to be a huge reach because GW really blew the assessment of Jenkins.

 

2. Wire brought a number of positives to the game which got him drafted on the first day: (intelligence as seen in his Stanford routes, a hitter by rep, speed by his combine numbers which was very good for an LB). However a decision was made to employ these demographics as a safety which at least ested if not neutralized these as outstanding aspects (he was smart enough to be adequate to poor at a new position, he remained a hitter by temperament but ended up looking Kurt Schulz like in making ineffectual hits though he never seemed to be the menace to his teammates Schulz seemed to be as several of our guys got nicked with Schulz belatedly flying into the pile and what is good speed for an LB is adequate at best for a DB.

 

3. His mistakes in his first year of primary ST duty were horrid and seemed pretty linkable to a lack of training and him trying to hard rather than playing on the edge of control which Tasker seemed to do. An example of this was his roughing the kicker penalty against CIN. Steve Taker himself analyzed this on the late lamented Howard Simon Show. Wire had a clear technique problem which Tasker pointed out. It was essentially impossible for Wire to make the block from the angle and position he launched himself unless he was 12 feet tall or jump out of the stadium. Even worse by committing to this impossible broad jump he gave himself no chance to avoid hitting the kicker. Tasker said this was all a technique failure and when it comes to ST I tend to listen to Tasker. Is Wire such a simpleton that this Stanford grad can't be taught? Maybe. Is it that the Bills did not devote enough time, effort and focus to having him learn the ST game because they were focusing on getting him biurned less as he struggled with SS? I think so.

 

Does Wire being a youngster exempt from blame for not being smart enough to massage his coaches into using him correctly? No, he's a big boy and making hundreds of K. Does Wire not doing this absolve GW/Gray and whoever his buddy was who ST from blame? No to that also in a big way.

 

In addition to this ST problem I also retain a clear memory of a Santana Moss runback for big yardage against the Bills. Wire (and Stevenson ironically) missed the tackles on this one big time. Moss is good and makes people miss, but the only thing which saved a TD on this play was Prioleau being a good enough ST player to stay in his lane at first and then come all the way back across the field to bring down Moss who fortunately was delayed a little in making Wire/Stevenson look like fools.

 

I'm not arguing Wire is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He isn't. I a, arguing that right from the start before his first pre-season game I was posting my hopes that he would be trained to focus on ST. This in part was because he seemed to me to have the fundamentals to make a name for himself there, but also in part because I felt he would not be good enough to play safety in the NFL.

 

Unfortunately I was certainly right about the latter and he was never trained to be the former and I think that is at least a significant part of why he has disappointed. This year will be his last year in my book to remedially learn the part of the game which I would allow him to contribute the most. Unfortunately, i think that since vets make mpre and he has whatever bad habits and non-teaching in his past to deal with there is not a lot of hope.

 

You or others can fault him for not being Steve Tasker, i don't think anyone would disagree with you. However. even Tasker will say he was not created in a day and burst into the game able to do all he eventually could do on his first day of play.

[stevewin]

FFS - points taken, but we still can agree to disagree on the motivation of the Bills brass drafting Wire and their intentions of how to use him. IMO he was drafted *absolutely* to be a safety - they honestly thought he could make the transition from linebacker to saftey a la Archleta. It was simply a failed experiment. I don't think there's any way in the world that you draft someone in the 3rd round to be nothing but a ST player! True they may not have planned on putting him in as a starter right away - and being pressed into the role of a starter for an entire rookie season (which you want to characterize as 'mismanagement') may help explain some of his putrid performance that year (which I still contend was based more on lack of ability than 'unfamiliar position' - it does boil down to running and tackling after all) - if anything it should have made him a *better* player!!! What better way to become a better player and learn a position than playing the position as a starter for an entire year? But he simply never became a good player! Even after sitting behind Milloy and benefitting from his tutelage for *another* year he still couldn't make plays! What more preparation/experience/'managment' does a player need?? That is why I think it is a cop out to blame it on a new position or coaching - he had years of various exposure and unbelievable opportunity to show he could play and he never did. Because - IMO - it is not about coaching or position - it is simply about his physical ability (lack thereof) to perform at this level.

 

And sorry - you will *never* convince me that the complete failure to properly execute that blocked kick in the CINN game is anyone's fault than his own. Please - they teach that in high school. And it is made even more incredulous when people want to paint him to be a ST ace - and yet you want me to believe that he is so ignorant of ST fundamentals he has no clue what to do when told to block a kick? I can guarantee you if it was Chris Watson who made the same stupid play no one would be blaming GW for it now.

 

You or others can fault him for not being Steve Tasker, i don't think anyone would disagree with you. However. even Tasker will say he was not created in a day and burst into the game able to do all he eventually could do on his first day of play.

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I never have faulted him for not being Tasker - I fault those who have tried to build him up into being another Tasker - when he is far from it - never has been, never will be.

 

I guess the net of it is that my strong feelings on this - the thing that drives me crazy - are so many people saying for so long how good he was - when I, week after week after week, saw with my own eyes the exact opposite. I have nothing personal against him, like I said originally - I just have never seen a player who was so bad get such a free pass for so long. It is truly an aberration unlike anything I've ever seen as a Bills fan.

[elcrusho]

wow you guys have too much time on your hands...

 

[Alaska Darin]

Your friend merely has acute ESP.

 

I've said this a million times - and will get flamed by all the Coy lovers - but it is a huge misconception that Wire is some kind of tackling machine.  I watched him closely for thee last three years, and he was as bad, if not worse, in run support as in coverage.  He consistently takes bad angles, is out of position, and over-pursues plays.  YES - he did make a great stuffing tackle on James Stewart in a preseason game against Detroit two years ago.  If the rules of football were changed so that the runner needed to remain stationary if Coy Wire was lining him up (Freeze!) - Wire would be an all pro.  He is most skillfull, however, at jumping on the pile after the player has been stopped (a stationary pile) - one of the best I've ever seen.

 

For the last three years the excuses from the Coy crowd have always been - he's only a rookie, he's only a 2nd year player, he's only 3rd year player, he's not playing the position he played in college!  Guess what - this is the NFL - if you can't cut it at your position you find something else to do.  This is year four - time is up - no more excuses - pack your bags.

 

Next the Coy crowd will exclaim what an special teams demon he is - dare I say Tasker-like?  Phhhlooooo (Blasphemy!).  This is another part of the overblown myth that is Coy.  Such an indispensible special teams player - yet never even led the special teams in tackles.  Dominique Stevenson did in 2003 and Pierson Prioleau did last year.  The fact that both these players are no longer here tells you that a player should bring more than STs play to stay on this team.  And IMO his ST prowess is also waaaaaayyy overstated.  I personally cannot recall Wire ever making a great open field tackle on a return.  The other factor to consider is that this coaching staff does not hesitate to put starters on STs - which mitigates the need for the ST 'specialist'.

 

But wait - the Coy crowd screams grasping for its last Coy Doesn't Suck Straw - he is our STs captain!!!!!  Guess what - I was captain of all three of the sports I played in HS - but that didn't mean I was any good at them 

 

I started watching Wire the 2nd game of the 2002 season (the Minnesota game) when I kept seeing a player on the screen flying around missing play after play thinking "Who the hell is that idiot running around like an idiot consistently missing plays?!".  I soon realized it was Wire - and I watched him for that whole season - and contrary to what some people believe he did suck that whole season - bad.  He was horrible.  I watched it week after week as I keyed on him each game - out of position, missed tackles, overpursued plays.  I saw him in person play The Single Worst Performance By A Defensive Player In The History Of The NFL against Oakland that year (I believe they named an ESPY after him for that).  And whenever I said how bad he was the apologists came out - but he's only a rookie!  Yes - true - and a really really sucky rookie at that.

 

The next year the Bills brought in any two legged safety they could find (remember Chad Cota?) - they had no faith in Wire's ability.  The Coy crowd seem to lament the passing of what could have been Coy's starting spot had not the Bills signed Milloy (!).  Some people do not seem to understand this very simple point - the Bills went after Milloy because we didn't have a competent safety at the time - we needed somebody to replace Wire!  He played poorly again when he saw action that year (but now as a really really sucky 2nd year player). Then came the embarrassing stupefying hysteria from the Coy crowd last year when Coy was going to make the switch to FS!!  Imagine the backfield with Lawyer and Wire back there!  Imagine how great that will be!  Imagine the potency of the drugs required to actually think Wire could play FS when he couldn't even cover the 10 yards between him and the TE as SS!  That experiment lasted about 3 days (as I predicted).    And in the action he saw last year it was the same old Coy - watch him impotently flail in the end zone on the on the last play against Jax - watch him do the same thing on the last Rams TD in that game - watch him get beat consistently whenever he is in the game - he still sucks! (but now as a really really sucky 3rd year player!)  Was it a coincidence that the Bills season turned around when Milloy came back and Wire was pushed off the field?

 

The bottom line is that Coy is a very nice guy, does a lot of work for charity, is very handsome, would probably look great in little tight shorts with little red hat covered in dirt  , can jump out of the shallow end of a pool  , ran up a hill with rocks in HS    , BUT he simply does not have the talent, skills, ability, or instinct to be a decent player in the NFL.

 

The Coy Wire Experiment was a failed one.  He is NOT the next Adam Archuleta - not even the next Adam Retatta.  I have never, in 30+ years of watching football, seen a player who sucked so bad have such a loyal following who are completely blinded to his lack of ability on the field.  I wish Coy luck in his future - just as long as he is not wearing a Bills jersey in it.

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A masterpiece.

[stuckincincy]

A masterpiece.

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Brevity personified.

[Talonz]

Should I read War and Peace or this thread?

 

Hmmmmmm.....

[Rico]

I guess the net of it is that my strong feelings on this - the thing that drives me crazy - are so many people saying for so long how good he was - when I, week after week after week, saw with my own eyes the exact opposite.  I have nothing personal against him, like I said originally - I just have never seen a player who was so bad get such a free pass for so long.  It is truly an aberration unlike anything I've ever seen as a Bills fan.

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Nice posting, but I don't see too many Coy Wire fans around here at all. Most everyone agrees that he sucks.