VABills Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I heard this on the radio. That New Jersey is now going to ban smoking in cars? You know as much as I hate smoking, and I do agree with the ban on smoking in public establishments, yes including bars and restaurants. How does Jersey honestly think that they can ban smoking in cars? Under what premise? Over legislating here. A few of these idiots need to be show the chemical dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 The slippery slope continues unabated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I heard this on the radio. That New Jersey is now going to ban smoking in cars? You know as much as I hate smoking, and I do agree with the ban on smoking in public establishments, yes including bars and restaurants. How does Jersey honestly think that they can ban smoking in cars? Under what premise? Over legislating here. A few of these idiots need to be show the chemical dump. 389684[/snapback] This has been my point all along VA. Rights are not swept away all at once. It is a gradual process. Did you support the proposed smoking ban in NYS Housing Projects? It was equally stupid and oppressive, perhaps much worse. My views on this issue are clear. When eating, drinking and smoking are banned in the parking lot of RWS (a matter of time), I suspect that you will be as unhappy as I am about the erosion of individual rights in our great country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 The slippery slope continues unabated. 389689[/snapback] Yes it does AD, and thanks for being on the sane side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 What on God's Green planet would motivate a state legislator to vote for something like this? Is it smoking in cars full stop? Or smoking while operating a car/truck? I have known truckers with scarred knuckles that swear cigarettes have saved their lives on long hauls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 This has been my point all along VA. Rights are not swept away all at once. It is a gradual process. Did you support the proposed smoking ban in NYS Housing Projects? It was equally stupid and oppressive, perhaps much worse. My views on this issue are clear. When eating, drinking and smoking are banned in the parking lot of RWS (a matter of time), I suspect that you will be as unhappy as I am about the erosion of individual rights in our great country. 389690[/snapback] I disagree with you on the public housing, for two reasons. One that was rental property subsidized by the federal/state government. Therefore, smoking should be banned there as it is offically public property. Second with the cost of cigarettes, I have a strong objection to my tax dollars supporting the apartments of these people knowing that they are spending several hundreds per year in these activities, that I am supporting. In additiona, a large portion of the people on rent control are also on medicade and medicare, hence we are also having to pay for the added medical problems that they are their familiy incures due to smoking problems. The problem I have with this proposed law is that legislatures do not know when to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 What on God's Green planet would motivate a state legislator to vote for something like this? Is it smoking in cars full stop? Or smoking while operating a car/truck? I have known truckers with scarred knuckles that swear cigarettes have saved their lives on long hauls. 389698[/snapback] Libby Pataki, a supposed anti-smoking activist, was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak about "health issues" and "women's issues," this with no medical background. Do you think this had anything to do with why he changed his decade long stance and all of a sudden, supported the smoking ban in bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 The problem I have with this proposed law is that legislatures do not know when to stop. 389703[/snapback] Which is why they should rarely be allowed to start. What other legal activities engaged in by adults would you like to legislate to the point of having police/court involvement? Soda drinking? Barbequeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTS Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I heard this on the radio. That New Jersey is now going to ban smoking in cars? You know as much as I hate smoking, and I do agree with the ban on smoking in public establishments, yes including bars and restaurants. How does Jersey honestly think that they can ban smoking in cars? Under what premise? Over legislating here. A few of these idiots need to be show the chemical dump. 389684[/snapback] I hate the cell phone law while driving. I, unlike most people I guess, seem to have no problem doing two things at once while driving. I always maintained that if you can't drive and talk then you shouldn't be able to drive and smoke. I'd love to see smoking banned every where, I don't want to breathe that crap, but this is definitely over legislation when it comes to what you do in your own property/car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 Which is why they should rarely be allowed to start. What other legal activities engaged in by adults would you like to legislate to the point of having police/court involvement? Soda drinking? Barbequeing? 389712[/snapback] I think some "motherment" is needed on occassion, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I heard this on the radio. That New Jersey is now going to ban smoking in cars? You know as much as I hate smoking, and I do agree with the ban on smoking in public establishments, yes including bars and restaurants. How does Jersey honestly think that they can ban smoking in cars? Under what premise? Over legislating here. A few of these idiots need to be show the chemical dump. 389684[/snapback] Endeavor to make smoking illegal in the United States. Forget about crime, but appreciate the fact that for example, in my state, Ohio, cigarette taxes are their THIRD-largest source of revenue. When you succeed in banishing them, and knowing that the States and other taxing entities aren't about to lose that jack, you will no longer be subsidized by smokers. Just doing a little bit of figuring here in my State, my tax will drop from about $1,500 per year to about 600 hundred - with the non-smokers now having to pony up 600 bucks apiece. Sweet! Oh, I forgot - in the long term, it's cheaper for all. Crying shame if I live to collect my social security dough, eh? I won't, but that's another matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I disagree with you on the public housing, for two reasons. One that was rental property subsidized by the federal/state government. Therefore, smoking should be banned there as it is offically public property. Second with the cost of cigarettes, I have a strong objection to my tax dollars supporting the apartments of these people knowing that they are spending several hundreds per year in these activities, that I am supporting. In additiona, a large portion of the people on rent control are also on medicade and medicare, hence we are also having to pay for the added medical problems that they are their familiy incures due to smoking problems. The problem I have with this proposed law is that legislatures do not know when to stop. 389703[/snapback] Believe it or not, I can see your point, although I do not agree. My wife grew up in a Housing Project across the street from Bellvue Hospital, on 1st Ave. Her father (may God rest his soul) smoked (my wife does not). Even though their apartment was subsidized, it was their home. My father in-law was the "man of the house" in an old school Puerto-Rican family. My wife is an officer of a major bank. His other children consist of a police officer, cpa, a Psychologist with a PHD, and a RN. Do you seriously think that it would have been OK for the government to burst into their home to punish/arrest this wonderful man for cigarette smoking? Would it be OK for his wife and daughters to be traumatized as such? Please, give me an honest answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 Believe it or not, I can see your point, although I do not agree. My wife grew up in a Housing Project across the street from Bellvue Hospital, on 1st Ave. Her father (may God rest his soul) smoked (my wife does not). Even though their apartment was subsidized, it was their home. My father in-law was the "man of the house" in an old school Puerto-Rican family. My wife is an officer of a major bank. His other children consist of a police officer, cpa, a Psychologist with a PHD, and a RN. Do you seriously think that it would have been OK for the government to burst into their home to punish/arrest this wonderful man for cigarette smoking? Would it be OK for his wife and daughters to be traumatized as such? Please, give me an honest answer. 389729[/snapback] Yes, but that is not the way it works. It would be handled by the "unannounced" HUD inspectors who are inspecting it to ensure the building complies with certain standards, lead based paint issues, etc... If they detect smoking in the apartment they resident can be given a warning letter, and after 3 strikes or whatever, subsidies could be revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Believe it or not, I can see your point, although I do not agree. My wife grew up in a Housing Project across the street from Bellvue Hospital, on 1st Ave. Her father (may God rest his soul) smoked (my wife does not). Even though their apartment was subsidized, it was their home. My father in-law was the "man of the house" in an old school Puerto-Rican family. My wife is an officer of a major bank. His other children consist of a police officer, cpa, a Psychologist with a PHD, and a RN. Do you seriously think that it would have been OK for the government to burst into their home to punish/arrest this wonderful man for cigarette smoking? Would it be OK for his wife and daughters to be traumatized as such? Please, give me an honest answer. 389729[/snapback] Yep, after cigarettes they're going after alcohol. Think I'm kidding? All of you who don't like it, eventually they're going to get to something you do like. Freedom often means not liking everything that goes on around you and the idea that bars are "public" places and you have a right to go there is so wrong that the word doesn't do it justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 All this coming from the country that so successfully banned alcohol. Those people saying freedom isn't free are actually right, it is taxed, regulated, and fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Yep, after cigarettes they're going after alcohol. Think I'm kidding? All of you who don't like it, eventually they're going to get to something you do like. Freedom often means not liking everything that goes on around you and the idea that bars are "public" places and you have a right to go there is so wrong that the word doesn't do it justice. 389736[/snapback] Well put, but likely falling on deaf ears. Mark these words down with your purple pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 This has been my point all along VA. Rights are not swept away all at once. It is a gradual process. 389690[/snapback] Which is why I don't like the Patriot Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Which is why I don't like the Patriot Act. 389773[/snapback] Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Which is why I don't like the Patriot Act. 389773[/snapback] Really? Is that why there was no outcry from commuters in NYC over people's bags being searched on mass transit? Nothing like equating a law meant to streamline law enforcement across various jurisdictional and structural authorities to fight a real external enemy, with takings of personal liberties to "protect people from themselves." I'm sure that since you're in an overly ironic mood lately, you haven't missed the gem that the more PATRIOT is whittled down, the more opportunities for terrorists' success, ensuring that this country will become a police state after weekly bombings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 All this coming from the country that so successfully banned alcohol. 389740[/snapback] and that same country is currently doing one helluva fine job maintaining the ban on marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc... how long before somebody proposes banning smoking in private residences? my guess is that it will be done under the guise of protecting the health of children motherment = rj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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