Live&DieBillsFootball Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Maybe I misunderstood your post. I thought you were, maybe, making sense in suggesting that Unions should focus less on recruitment, and more on fixing what shreds of credibility they still have, if any. Do you think that Unions should be focused on organizing more workers? Like those at Wal-Mart (one of the biggest companies in the world) and Toyota (soon to be the largest auto-maker in the world)? And they should do this, instead of trying to change their relationship with companies like Ford, GM, and Chevy (the Bloated 3), each of which is in crisis? 389370[/snapback] I don't see what unionizing Wal-Mart has to do with the crisis that the big 3 are having with the UAW. They are totally different unions doing totally different types of work. The crisis of the big 3 is not much different than the crisis affecting Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and state budget crisis. The big 3 as well as these large social programs are all in crisis due to people living longer, medical advances, expensive medical technology, etc. In the case of the big 3, the UAW and the companies are both at fault. The UAW for trying to always improve benefits in each new contract and the companies for not foreseeing the crisis that this was going to cause and not drawing a line in the sand and fighting to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I don't see what unionizing Wal-Mart has to do with the crisis that the big 3 are having with the UAW. They are totally different unions doing totally different types of work. The crisis of the big 3 is not much different than the crisis affecting Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and state budget crisis. The big 3 as well as these large social programs are all in crisis due to people living longer, medical advances, expensive medical technology, etc. In the case of the big 3, the UAW and the companies are both at fault. The UAW for trying to always improve benefits in each new contract and the companies for not foreseeing the crisis that this was going to cause and not drawing a line in the sand and fighting to stop it. 389805[/snapback] Well said. But companies, auto or not, have not a whit of hesitation taking away retired salaried worker's benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Do you think that the split is a good idea? 389758[/snapback] My morning newspaper stated that with the possible split, the leaving entities get back seven million bucks' worth of dues.. If so, I wonder who's pockets that would end up in? Regardless, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" is still a functional concept.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Go figure some government worker's unions just affliated with the AFL-CIO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Well said. But companies, auto or not, have not a whit of hesitation taking away retired salaried worker's benefits. 389821[/snapback] Just ask the retirees at USS! That is the tragedy along with cutting vet's benny's. The young just don't care. It will never happen to me. My end goal will never be derailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemur King Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Just ask the retirees at USS! That is the tragedy along with cutting vet's benny's. The young just don't care. It will never happen to me. My end goal will never be derailed. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Every article I read says that young people are saving more for retirement than ever before, by leaps and bounds. Not that it probably matters. If you read the right books (with a capital B), it sounds like the end is drawing near in the next 10 or so years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Just ask the retirees at USS! That is the tragedy along with cutting vet's benny's. The young just don't care. It will never happen to me. My end goal will never be derailed. 390018[/snapback] What cut in veteran's benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Every article I read says that young people are saving more for retirement than ever before, by leaps and bounds. 390111[/snapback] So, so, true... That is why they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 What cut in veteran's benefits? 390174[/snapback] It is only a matter of time... They are coming. Every conflict has created a group of vets that get jobbed. Time and lawmakers will eventually make sure it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 It is only a matter of time... They are coming. Every conflict has created a group of vets that get jobbed. Time and lawmakers will eventually make sure it happens. 390972[/snapback] I hate to be a pest, but what are these cuts you mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I hate to be a pest, but what are these cuts you mention? 390993[/snapback] You are a pest... I guess this is what I am trying to say: Veterans Groups Want More While it's false to say the veterans budget has been cut, and false to say that any veteran getting benefits has been cut off, it is true that funding is not growing as rapidly as demand for benefits, or as rapidly as veterans groups would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 it is true that funding is not growing as rapidly as demand for benefits, or as rapidly as veterans groups would like.[/i] 391039[/snapback] Ooh, the government not living up to their end of the bargain and a specific special interest group isn't happy that their slice of the pie doesn't measure up. Shocking. Perhaps that champion of veteran's benefits John Kerry will propose legislation to correct this wrong. [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Ooh, the government not living up to their end of the bargain and a specific special interest group isn't happy that their slice of the pie doesn't measure up. Shocking. Perhaps that champion of veteran's benefits John Kerry will propose legislation to correct this wrong. [/sarcasm] 391479[/snapback] So true. As special interest go. And seeing how everything is catered to one special interest or another in our society... Would you rank Vets as the most important special interest group? I would. A lot of other crap, including my own job (caters to the towing industry, Inland Waterwary Trust Fund, etc...) could fall by the wayside before I would want Vets to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So true. As special interest go. And seeing how everything is catered to one special interest or another in our society... Would you rank Vets as the most important special interest group? I would. A lot of other crap, including my own job (caters to the towing industry, Inland Waterwary Trust Fund, etc...) could fall by the wayside before I would want Vets to! 393012[/snapback] I agree - of course the military is one of the few Constitutional responsibilities that the Fed actually has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Go figure some government worker's unions just affliated with the AFL-CIO. 390016[/snapback] EIL, this is because many federal workers are already unionized. At a national level, these unions seem content to allow their dues to be handed over to the nearest "liberal" dem running for office. I was never the biggest fan of Hoffa Jr. Imo, he is not a pimple on the a$$ of his father. He recently had a great quote. He stated that he was tired of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters being an ATM card for the democrat party. The following is link was published in 02/05 by a pretty smart person. It looks as if she saw this coming. She "told ya so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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