Pro Football Talk: Donahoe "lucky!"

[PromoTheRobot]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

DONAHOE FINDS AN ACORN

 

After months of turning up his nose at opportunities to trade away running back Travis Henry for a fourth-round draft pick, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe got flat-out freakin' lucky when the Titans apparently decided to stem the tide of bad P.R. fueled by the escapades of Pacman Jones by coughing up a three in order to bring in a former UT running back who, unlike incumbent Chris Brown, isn't made of peanut brittle and cotton candy.

 

The Nashville Tennessean reports that the trade is a done deal. Henry has one year left on his contract, but the Titans hope to sign him to an extension.

 

And now that the dust is settling, it looks like Donahoe and Jags coach Jack Del Rio worked together over the past few days to apply the last few twists of the screws to the Titans. Why else would the notoriously truth-challenged and media shy (unless you have a Jaguars tattoo on your ass) head coach have been so uncharacteristically candid when he said recently that a trade between the Bills and the Jags for Henry could be completed "in the next few days or week"?

 

Not long after word of the impending deal broke, the Titans coughed up the third-rounder that Donahoe has demanded.

 

Bottom line -- the Bills got what they wanted, the Titans got snookered, and the Jags forced a division rival who'll be 3-13 even with Henry to waste a first-day pick in 2006.

 

I hope ProFootball Talk is written by some unemployed 30-something draft geek who lives in his mom's basement. To think someone actually makes a living writing this garbage depresses me. It's called "skilled negotiation" not luck, you bunch of buttmunches!

 

PTR

[Sound_n_Fury]

More Florio yuk yuks:

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/4-23-05through4-30-05.htm

 

'ZONA DUMPS ON DONAHOE

 

As a follow-up to our story from earlier on Tuesday regarding some harsh opinions as to Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe, we're now hearing that the Arizona Cardinals are unhappy with the manner in which Donahoe has handled the potential trade of tailback Travis Henry.

 

Per a league source, Donahoe "totally screwed up the deal." Apparently, Arizona was offering tackle L.J. Shelton and a flip-flop of second-round picks. During those discussions, Donahoe "was swearing up and down that he had offers from . . . Philadelphia and Tampa Bay . . . for straight third-round picks."

 

So "the Cardinals called [Donahoe's] bluff and both the Bucs and Eagles took [running backs] in the draft."

 

Per the source, Donahoe "lost all credibility with [the Cardinals] when he pulled that crap. He never once said he didn't like [shelton], he just said he had better offers."

 

Since the draft, Donahoe has suggested that the Bills never wanted Shelton.

 

As a result, the Cardinals were chuckling when Donahoe was left holding the bag, and the source says that we can now add one more organization "to the list of teams that know [Donahoe] is full of sh-t."

 

 

 

DONAHOE'S GOT NO LEVERAGE

 

With a glut of running backs available via the draft, trade, and/or free agency and a former No. 1 tailback who vows never to play in Buffalo again, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe overlooked one key fact as he postured and preened for a first-day pick in exchange for Travis Henry.

 

Donahoe has no leverage.

 

But that didn't stop Donahoe from talking tough about the trade that never was, and likely never will be -- at least not on Tom's terms.

 

"We weren't presented with very much, to be honest with you," Donahoe said after the draft. "We have to hear something that makes sense, other than somebody offering a player we don't want or somebody offering a late-round pick, which we're not going to do."

 

Donahoe was at it again on Monday: "If not being offered anything is being greedy, then we were greedy," he said. "We were willing to discuss anything but somebody has to offer you something so that you can have a conversation."

 

Said one league insider in response, "Can't this smug !@#$ shut up?"

 

The source described Donahoe as an "egomaniac [who] will never learn his lesson about being disrespectful towards other people [and] decision-makers in the NFL."

 

...The deeper problem seems to be that other league insiders don't appreciate Donahoe's public statements regarding trades and trade offers. Yeah, it's a competitive business, but there's a certain code of conduct when it comes to talking publicly, expressly or implicitly, regarding other front offices.

 

At the core, its a matter of respect. Donahoe doesn't give it in situations like this, so as a result he rarely gets it from some of the most respected figures in the league.

[Dan Gross]

It's a sad life when the most prestigious voices in your head are a group of pro sports "league insiders." I guess at least we should be glad that they are mostly benign voices...

[PromoTheRobot]

This guy is unbelievable! He totally whiffs on this TH story. Then when Donahoe gets what he wants in the end, this douche bag calls him lucky! Maybe Florio ought to look in the mirror to see who is the egomaniac, and maybe find another line of work while he's at it.

 

PTR

 

More Florio yuk yuks:

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/4-23-05through4-30-05.htm

 

'ZONA DUMPS ON DONAHOE

 

As a follow-up to our story from earlier on Tuesday regarding some harsh opinions as to Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe, we're now hearing that the Arizona Cardinals are unhappy with the manner in which Donahoe has handled the potential trade of tailback Travis Henry.

 

Per a league source, Donahoe "totally screwed up the deal."  Apparently, Arizona was offering tackle L.J. Shelton and a flip-flop of second-round picks.  During those discussions, Donahoe "was swearing up and down that he had offers from . . . Philadelphia and Tampa Bay . . .  for straight third-round picks."

 

So "the Cardinals called [Donahoe's] bluff and both the Bucs and Eagles took [running backs] in the draft."

 

Per the source, Donahoe "lost all credibility with [the Cardinals] when he pulled that crap.  He never once said he didn't like [shelton], he just said he had better offers." 

 

Since the draft, Donahoe has suggested that the Bills never wanted Shelton.

 

As a result, the Cardinals were chuckling when Donahoe was left holding the bag, and the source says that we can now add one more organization "to the list of teams that know [Donahoe] is full of sh-t."

DONAHOE'S GOT NO LEVERAGE

 

With a glut of running backs available via the draft, trade, and/or free agency and a former No. 1 tailback who vows never to play in Buffalo again, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe overlooked one key fact as he postured and preened for a first-day pick in exchange for Travis Henry.

 

Donahoe has no leverage.

 

But that didn't stop Donahoe from talking tough about the trade that never was, and likely never will be -- at least not on Tom's terms.

 

"We weren't presented with very much, to be honest with you," Donahoe said after the draft.  "We have to hear something that makes sense, other than somebody offering a player we don't want or somebody offering a late-round pick, which we're not going to do."

 

Donahoe was at it again on Monday:  "If not being offered anything is being greedy, then we were greedy," he said.  "We were willing to discuss anything but somebody has to offer you something so that you can have a conversation."

 

Said one league insider in response, "Can't this smug !@#$ shut up?"

 

The source described Donahoe as an "egomaniac [who] will never learn his lesson about being disrespectful towards other people [and] decision-makers in the NFL."

 

...The deeper problem seems to be that other league insiders don't appreciate Donahoe's public statements regarding trades and trade offers.  Yeah, it's a competitive business, but there's a certain code of conduct when it comes to talking publicly, expressly or implicitly, regarding other front offices.

 

At the core, its a matter of respect.  Donahoe doesn't give it in situations like this, so as a result he rarely gets it from some of the most respected figures in the league.

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[34-78-83]

Looks like someone's trying to cover their tracks but leaving a revealing trail of chit behind as they go

[eball]

somebody ought to e-mail all of this crap back to him and see what sort of response you get.

[Buffan00]

somebody ought to e-mail all of this crap back to him and see what sort of response you get.

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Well, if we could have had Shelton and swap seconds with Arizona and TD balked. The he did drop the bag on that one. Zona will have a high second! Oh well!

[eball]

Well, if we could have had Shelton and swap seconds with Arizona and TD balked. The he did drop the bag on that one. Zona will have a high second! Oh well!

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(a) the bills DIDN'T WANT shelton. how many times to people have to hear this before they understand?

 

(b) where was it ever confirmed that arizona offered -- or the bills asked for -- a swap of 2nds? even if we make the HUGE assumption that the swap of 2nds was on the table, IMO a 2nd and two 3rds is better (and more cap friendly) than a slightly higher 2nd and one 3rd.

 

profootballtalk.com is a joke.

[John from Riverside]

Well, if we could have had Shelton and swap seconds with Arizona and TD balked. The he did drop the bag on that one. Zona will have a high second! Oh well!

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Buffan.....please forgive my ignorance on this because I must be missing the math.....

 

Isn't 2 3's (one of which could end up being right at the start of the 3rd round) better then a high 2 when you get to keep your own 2nd?

[duey]

I stopped visiting that site a long time ago. I got more accurate NFL reporting from the guy in the next stall over in my office mens room, and the stink still wasn't as bad.

 

The anti-Bills slant to his "reporting" is a constant. Plus, the crap he posts about other teams are just regurgitated from other websites.

[bobblehead]

Wait a second... PFT is actually implying that TD and Jack Del Rio worked together to screw the Titans?

 

Am I reading this right?

 

[SestakFan]

The truth is that the Bills O-Line coach did not care for Shelton.

The proof was that he was willing to go with Gandy speaks volumes

on what he thought about Shelton.

 

I don't think being questioned by the Arizona front office is really

such a bad thing.

[jarthur31]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

DONAHOE FINDS AN ACORN

 

After months of turning up his nose at opportunities to trade away running back Travis Henry for a fourth-round draft pick, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe got flat-out freakin' lucky when the Titans apparently decided to stem the tide of bad P.R. fueled by the escapades of Pacman Jones by coughing up a three in order to bring in a former UT running back who, unlike incumbent Chris Brown, isn't made of peanut brittle and cotton candy.

 

The Nashville Tennessean reports that the trade is a done deal.  Henry has one year left on his contract, but the Titans hope to sign him to an extension.

 

And now that the dust is settling, it looks like Donahoe and Jags coach Jack Del Rio worked together over the past few days to apply the last few twists of the screws to the Titans.  Why else would the notoriously truth-challenged and media shy (unless you have a Jaguars tattoo on your ass) head coach have been so uncharacteristically candid when he said recently that a trade between the Bills and the Jags for Henry could be completed "in the next few days or week"?

 

Not long after word of the impending deal broke, the Titans coughed up the third-rounder that Donahoe has demanded.

 

Bottom line -- the Bills got what they wanted, the Titans got snookered, and the Jags forced a division rival who'll be 3-13 even with Henry to waste a first-day pick in 2006.

 

I hope ProFootball Talk is written by some unemployed 30-something draft geek who lives in his mom's basement.  To think someone actually makes a living writing this garbage depresses me.  It's called "skilled negotiation" not luck, you bunch of buttmunches!

 

PTR

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I just laff at this crap. He's stupid to think that we got lucky for a 3rd rounder!

 

Maybe if it had been a #1 pick. Stupid acne-infested loser! Are these mediots getting stupider and stupider with each passing day?

[todd]

somebody ought to e-mail all of this crap back to him and see what sort of response you get.

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I've e-mailed him before. He's a prick, and a stupid one at that. He doesn't have sources. As a matter of fact, I think he's been sued before about his stories.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

I used to actually do some work with Florio for his website a few years back. The guy really is a jackass. One of things that he had us do was set the post date of his "exclusives" to appear as if he had them posted earlier and scooped the rest of the NFL. In reality, we would just look over the news wires and link to actual ESPN or CBS Sportsline reports and he'd make it look like he got this information from his "inside sources".

 

All he does is guess at what is going to happen in the NFL, just like everyone on this board does. Except he claims to have backing to it...completely untrue. Whenever he gets a story wrong (99.9% of the time) he just never mentions it again. Remember how we were supposed to trade Henry to the Eagles for their 3rd rounder before the Draft? Notice how quickly he tried to bury that? Whenever he does accidently guess a story right, he acts like it was his exclusive, when in actuality he just happened to follow what real reporters had worked on and stole their ideas and summaries of NFL situations. Whenever you see the words "our sources", thats completely made up. He never had us fact-check anything with any "insiders", we just looked over the internet for sources.

 

He's had it in for TD ever since Donahoe was one of the men who spear-headed the NFL suit against Florio a few years ago. Florio ended up having to admit that all of his sources are made up and his site should be just used as a "Humor" site, but that warning he put on his website admitting this was taken down years ago. The guy has no idea what he's talking about, trust me on this.

[smokinandjokin]

The truth is that the Bills O-Line coach did not care for Shelton.

The proof was that he was willing to go with Gandy speaks volumes

on what he thought about Shelton.

 

I don't think being questioned by the Arizona front office is really

such a bad thing.

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Agreed. Nothing but solid decision makers down there in Zona. Clearly the Bills perceived something wrong with Shelton, and the Cards confirmed it when they later released him. The guy sounds like a bum.

 

TD got a 3rd rounder and I think that was about as good as it gets. The Pats traded the last pick of the second round for Corey Dillon, thus setting the bar for future trades. I'd take Dillon over Henry any day every day.

[kasper13]

What did the Cardinals get for Shelton? NOTHING because they cut his worthless butt. Buffalo was the only team that had any interest in a trade for him and he wasn't worth Henry and a switch of picks. The Bills would not have picked up Shelton's $3 million a year contract even if he would have been offered to the Bills for a 7th round pick in 2020.

 

TD played the waiting game and got exactly what he wanted for Henry. A 3rd round draft choice with no conditions AND clearing TH's $1.25 million contract off the books.

 

Since when is it illegal to try and make the best deal possible for your team? Just because Arizona wanted Henry for an overpaid, overrated OL, TD was just supposed to just say OK to make the a-hole at PFT happy?

 

GM's try and make the best deals possible for their team. Any GM can say every team in the league has interest in a certain player and can say that team offered two #1 picks and a billion dollars if they want. The other team can deny it forever if they want. It's just all part of the game and it's too bad that every "writer" with "inside information" is wrong 99% of the time. They know virtually nothing and have zero credibility. They write nonsense just so they can get paid and then to protect themselves, they blame the GM or the agent or the player when their "sources" are 100% innacurate.

[Rubes]

I used to actually do some work with Florio for his website a few years back.  The guy really is a jackass.  One of things that he had us do was set the post date of his "exclusives" to appear as if he had them posted earlier and scopped the rest of the NFL.  In reality, we would just look over the news wires and link to actual ESPN or CBS Sportsline reports and he'd make it look like he got this information from his "inside sources". 

 

All he does is guess at what is going to happen in the NFL, just like everyone on this board does.  Except he claims to have backing to it...completely untrue.  Whenever he gets a story wrong (99.9% of the time) he just never mentions it again.  Remember how we were supposed to trade Henry to the Eagles for their 3rd rounder before the Draft?  Notice how quickly he tried to bury that?  Whenever he does accidently guess a story right, he acts like it was his exclusive, when in actuality he just happened to follow what real reporters had worked on and stole their ideas and summaries of NFL situations.  Whenever you see the words "our sources", thats completely made up.  He never had us fact-check anything with any "insiders", we just looked over the internet for sources.

 

He's had it in for TD ever since Donahoe was one of the men who spear-headed the NFL suit against Florio a few years ago.  Florio ended up having to admit that all of his sources are made up and his site should be just used as a "Humor" site, but that warning he put on his website admitting this was taken down years ago.  The guy has no idea what he's talking about, trust me on this.

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Wow. That's all I can say.

[Sound_n_Fury]

MONDAY EVENING ONE-LINERS

 

"As usual, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe shows when it's time to crow, but when the team is swirling down the crapper, coach Mularkey gets the mike."

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[duey]

MONDAY EVENING ONE-LINERS

 

"As usual, Bills G.M. Tom Donahoe shows when it's time to crow, but when the team is swirling down the crapper, coach Mularkey gets the mike."

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

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Yawn...this guys vendetta against TD is getting a bit old.