nick in* england Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Front page story on TBD has jags issuing a statement to say that are nearing completion of a deal for TH. This is VERY good news. I can;t stand the speculation! What I think this does for the Jags is make them into a seriously competitive team. I'm glad they're not on our schedule.
Nanker Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Nope. Not on the schedule - unless we meet on the way to the SB. "They" kept us out of the playoffs last year - according to many. Stepped on Johnson Coming Out of the Gate!
JoeF Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Thanks for the link Nanker. Week 2 of the 2003 season, our last 300 yard passing game. I wonder if that is the longest streak in the league...30 games. Glad this Henry situation seems to be working its way to conclusion.
Steven in MD Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Is the deal a conditional 2nd? Straight up 3rd? Just remember, we kept RJ over Flutie....and now we will keep WM over TH.
nick in* england Posted July 15, 2005 Author Posted July 15, 2005 Is the deal a conditional 2nd? Straight up 3rd? Just remember, we kept RJ over Flutie....and now we will keep WM over TH. 382247[/snapback] Not sure what u mean with the RJ comment - seems irrelevant to me. The details of the deal are not mentioned.
todd Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Just remember, we kept RJ over Flutie....and now we will keep WM over TH. 382247[/snapback] So what is your point? Is there something relevant about this comment? Please expand how the situations are similar.
Mickey Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Front page story on TBD has jags issuing a statement to say that are nearing completion of a deal for TH. This is VERY good news. I can;t stand the speculation! What I think this does for the Jags is make them into a seriously competitive team. I'm glad they're not on our schedule. 382239[/snapback] This whole situation reminds of me of my fishing theory. It goes like this: Fishing is inherently an activity completely bereft of anything even resembling excitement. It only seems to be exciting. Fishing is like stepping into a sensory deprivation tank so that anything that happens, anything at all, seems exciting. Thus holding on to a string which is occasionally tugged by a mindless, mercury ridden fish seems like a trip to Vegas. The TH news is like that. The off season is a football deprivation tank into which we have all been immersed. Anything that happens, any tid bit of football news actually seems exciting in our deprived state of mind numbing football-less-ness.
richNjoisy Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 This whole situation reminds of me of my fishing theory. It goes like this: Fishing is inherently an activity completely bereft of anything even resembling excitement. It only seems to be exciting. Fishing is like stepping into a sensory deprivation tank so that anything that happens, anything at all, seems exciting. Thus holding on to a string which is occasionally tugged by a mindless, mercury ridden fish seems like a trip to Vegas. The TH news is like that. The off season is a football deprivation tank into which we have all been immersed. Anything that happens, any tid bit of football news actually seems exciting in our deprived state of mind numbing football-less-ness. 382256[/snapback] My God Mickey your analogy reeks of someone who needs constant stimulation. Your comparison of "excitement" to "trip to vegas" fits in perfectly. I certainly can undersatnd what you are saying but I don't happen to agree with it. To help you understand, try replacing the word "exciting" with "enjoyable". Thus SOME people (not you evidently find fishing ENJOYABLE while others (such as yourself) find it BORING. SOMEpeople ENJOY going camping, others enjoy going to Vegas. You couldn't pay me to use my free time in a casino. You, on the other hand, apparently would have to be roped and thrown physically into a rowboat or canoe to ever get you to go out into nature. Different strokes for ...... As to the Henry news: Fine. You're bored. To the rest of us, the idea of FINALLY ending the Travis henry era in Buffalo AND getting a decent draft pick IS exciting to SOME of us. sigh Good luck in Vegas Mickey. I hope you win but , more importantly, I hope you have fun. watching the red-tailed hawks out my window (which I find exciting) RichNJoisy www.cnjbbb.org
Bill from NYC Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Is the deal a conditional 2nd? Straight up 3rd? Just remember, we kept RJ over Flutie....and now we will keep WM over TH. 382247[/snapback] First of all, there is no deal. If one does happen, a 4th/conditional 3rd would allow TD to save face, and would be a steal for the Bills; addition by subtraction of a dumbass, and a 4th round pick to boot. As for the RJ/Flutie comparison, are you telling us that you prefer Travis to Willis?
Steven in MD Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 So what is your point? Is there something relevant about this comment? Please expand how the situations are similar. 382249[/snapback] Ahh...grasshopper you learn well. The point is that we let Flutie go (albeit via FA) to keep RJ as our starting QB. Here we are letting TH go to keep WM. Both RJ and WM played well when they replaced the starting player. I am curious to see if we made the right choice. Remeber Flutie went on to play well in SD.
nick in* england Posted July 15, 2005 Author Posted July 15, 2005 Ahh...grasshopper you learn well. The point is that we let Flutie go (albeit via FA) to keep RJ as our starting QB. Here we are letting TH go to keep WM. Both RJ and WM played well when they replaced the starting player. I am curious to see if we made the right choice. Remeber Flutie went on to play well in SD. 382269[/snapback] I'm sure nobody doubts that TH will play well when he moves on, but he has squealed to high heaven about backing up what the Bill regards as a higher quality RB in WM. So we need to deal him. As for the implication of WM dropping off as 'full time starter' - he basically was annointed the full time starter from week 6 last year and only improved from then on. That's 11 games of being #1 rather than stand-in #1... And to me he has proved his worth.
ganesh Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Taylor said last week that he would welcome Henry's arrival as long as Henry realizes the Jaguars "are my team.'' "I'm all for bringing him in, because that's just going to make us better,'' Taylor said. "But this is my team.'' Interestig...Henry is going to be in no different situation as Taylor is going to be on he field during camp....The only difference is going to be TH will sign an extension and get more upfront money than 1.25M....
scribo Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Taylor said last week that he would welcome Henry's arrival as long as Henry realizes the Jaguars "are my team.'' "I'm all for bringing him in, because that's just going to make us better,'' Taylor said. "But this is my team.'' Interestig...Henry is going to be in no different situation as Taylor is going to be on he field during camp....The only difference is going to be TH will sign an extension and get more upfront money than 1.25M.... 382271[/snapback] There is a much larger difference than that. Travis is coming into a team that is clearly demonstrating that it wants him. The Bills made no such showing. I am all for keeping Willis over Travis, but I can see why Travis feels so unwanted in Buffalo. Not to mention, and this is important, everybody and their brother knows Taylor couldn't play an entire season even if his life depended on it.
Bill from NYC Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 I'm sure nobody doubts that TH will play well when he moves on, but he has squealed to high heaven about backing up what the Bill regards as a higher quality RB in WM. So we need to deal him. As for the implication of WM dropping off as 'full time starter' - he basically was annointed the full time starter from week 6 last year and only improved from then on. That's 11 games of being #1 rather than stand-in #1... And to me he has proved his worth. 382270[/snapback] The glasses my friend, the rose colored glasses! Travis is a running back who was able to compile good yardage for 2 years, while playing poorly at every other phase of his position. I predict that his career will flounder on whatever team he is traded to. Yardage notwithstanding, he is NOT a good football player.
Ennjay Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 About half an hour ago on Mike 'n' Mike (ESPN Radio), Chris Mortensen said a deal would be announced maybe by the end of today (Friday) or early next week. He said Tennessee looks like the favorite but TH and his agent favor Jax because the Jags would pay him more. The ESPN guys, including Mort, talked about Tennessee as "home" for TH because he went to the U of T. Apparently none of them know he's from Florida. The deal would be a third round pick either way. I'd much rather have the Tenn #3 than the Jax #3. With Travis, the Jags will be good enough to win some games even without Fred Taylor. Adding Travis to the Titans won't make them that much better, especially in that division. Even with TH the Tenn #3 in 2006 may be ten to 15 picks better than the Jax #3.
todd Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Ahh...grasshopper you learn well. The point is that we let Flutie go (albeit via FA) to keep RJ as our starting QB. Here we are letting TH go to keep WM. Both RJ and WM played well when they replaced the starting player. I am curious to see if we made the right choice. Remeber Flutie went on to play well in SD. 382269[/snapback] The situations are completely different. I think you are prone to using brown-colored glasses regarding everything Bills. Comparing WM to RJ is not valid. WM, even at 85% and in his first NFL action, looked like a superstar. Rob Johnson NEVER looked like a superstar. Neither did Fwootie, for that matter. In keeping RJ, we took a flyer on a guy that was young and could be worked with - supposedly. If we kept Fwootie, we would have had a guy whou could have handled the starting position for one year - two at most. By keeping WM, we get a guy who has superstar skill and has shown consistently he's a back who is at least equivalent to TH, but with far more upside. Furthermore, he doesn't seem to have the issues TH has. Also, Travis being under contract allows us to get SOMETHING for him. If we wait until next year, we get NOTHING. That's the biggest way the situations are different. I really think you might have extended this analogy a bit too much. The only comparison to the two situations you can make that would be valid are that they are all football players. That's it.
cgang Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 On Mike and Mike this a.m., they were interviewing Mort and they started right off with TH. Mort believes we should know definitively about a trade either by the end of the day today or tomorrow. He also thinks that Ten. is still the front runner with Jax. playing catch up (something about how Ten. has shown Bills mgmt. more commitment in terms of the pick). But TH's agent is really working on Jax. because the agent believes there is more money there for TH. Interestingly, Mort also said that he could not understand why the Bills were criticised for holding on to TH in events leading up to the draft and insisting on a 3rd round pick. He said something like "Can you imagine what Bills fans would do to Bills mgmt. if it turns out that Willis goes down with an injury and the Bills settled for something less than a 3rd rounder?" Just passing this on..............
scribo Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 I fully agree that if it is really "a third round pick either way," I don't see why TD would pick Jax over Tenn. That leads me to believe Mort is wrong about that part -- or at least not totally right. It may come down to who sets more obtainable conditions to turn the pick into a second rounder.
Realist Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 I'd much rather have the Tenn #3 than the Jax #3. With Travis, the Jags will be good enough to win some games even without Fred Taylor. Adding Travis to the Titans won't make them that much better, especially in that division. Even with TH the Tenn #3 in 2006 may be ten to 15 picks better than the Jax #3. 382284[/snapback] Agree with you on that one. Jacksonville is going to be tough this year and has a very strong possibility at the playoffs, while Tennessee is basically in a rebuilding year (although they don't see it that way). But either way it would be nice to see this saga finally over.
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