Reuben Gant Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Not in my view. Same answer. 382097[/snapback] Citizenship revoked on impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Citizenship revoked on impact? 382100[/snapback] Kind of moot, at that point. But, no - I wouldn't revoke citizenship. I'd do a serious look at "rights" given a citizen. I'm of the mood that many, many laws and protections in certain areas are obsolete, but I also don't think that anyone with enough power in Congress has the balls to fix any of it. Some juniors do, but they have no influence. We're facing a new century, new challenges and new threats framed within range fans defined 30-40 years ago. All this feel good stuff from the 60's and 70's doesn't pertain to our current environment. I've said it before, I hate to bring up Clinton, but the truth is they were the ones who recognized the new problems, and instead of confronting it, they chose to find ways to mitigate it, politically. At least publically. They never once put anything on the street that could invite public comment, if it didn't rhyme with Fleetwood Mac. Not in the national interest. everyone was happy. Now, you have an administration that is trying to undo some of that, and reassert us as THE world power. One may not like it, but if you want to worry about who wins American Idol over worrying about where your grandchildren get their next meal from, play along. I maintain, we are collectively stupid, ignorant and spoiled as a country. My opinion. And, it's an opinion. I look 20 years down the road. If God has any mercy, I won't be here then. I really think most Americans look 20 minutes. If they have that much of an attention span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Kind of moot, at that point. But, no - I wouldn't revoke citizenship. I'd do a serious look at "rights" given a citizen. I'm of the mood that many, many laws and protections in certain areas are obsolete, but I also don't think that anyone with enough power in Congress has the balls to fix any of it. Some juniors do, but they have no influence. We're facing a new century, new challenges and new threats framed within range fans defined 30-40 years ago. I 382121[/snapback] what came to mind was Alvin Toffler's "Nations will Wither" arguments that the Nation State is quickly becomming an outmoded idea. Globalization is happening faster than the security challenges it presents to a very succesful coldwar idea of Citizenship and even jurisprudence. I don't think much of the America I grew up with will be recognizable in 25 years - (I may still be alive if they invent the artificial liver in the next 10 years). Obviously, in London anyway, you have people from within that more closely identify with an ideology with roots in the sand than with Queen and Blighty. Our borders are not secure (we like our lawns trimmed), much of our military is still well suited to fight Ivan (we like our hometown bases, they keep the coffee shops full). If there is anything of Genius in Rummy, I think it is in recognizing the Military we will need in the future. I don't know what your assessment of our linguists might be, but I think it is probably the French helping us very much these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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