Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 I could care less what he didn't say - worry about what he did say. Iraqis who "rise up" against the "occupation." I'd say many of the most murderous people in Iraq right now were there before the war started. If he wants to compare them to the men who fought to give the U.S. it's independence, that's his problem. I'm glad it's right there on his website for all the world to see. 381085[/snapback] Yeah, "IRAQIS" who rise up.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Yeah, but he didn't say he liked them. Like that means anything when he's comparing them to the founding fathers. 381087[/snapback] You're using his quote to say and imply he supports them. He wants them to kill Americans. He wants these terrorists to win. He thinks of them as heroes. He didn't say that or imply that or infer that whatsoever, and I very, very much doubt he wants that. Regardless of how big a friggin' assshole he is, because I dislike him as much as you do. I wouldn't mind one of those minutemen sticking a musket up his ass. I am responding to your guys misuse of what he said and what he implied and what he meant.
Reuben Gant Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Anybody see what Reagan's Freedom fighters did to some helicopters this week.
SilverNRed Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 lemme see, take a quote from last year, wait until the insurgency tacticschange to attack civilians, apply them to today, and get mad at Michael Moore for what he said last year in reference to what happened today. Can I play too? 381092[/snapback] Radical Islam was different last year?
SilverNRed Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Yeah, "IRAQIS" who rise up.... 381094[/snapback] ....and blow up their fellow Iraqis....
SilverNRed Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Anybody see what Reagan's Freedom fighters did to some helicopters this week. 381103[/snapback] Reagan said something favorable about the Taliban RE: the GWOT? Was it on his website? Link?
Reuben Gant Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Reagan said something favorable about the Taliban RE: the GWOT? Was it on his website? Link? 381108[/snapback] Reagan in the early 80's called Afghans fighting the soviets- who were a radical islamic Muhajadeen- "Freedom Fighters". The Muhajadeen now fire at Americans. Reagan was wrong to call these people "Freedom Fighters" Where's the outrage!!! Michael Moore calls Iraqi's fighting the occupation Revolutionaries, or "Minutemen"(a poor choice of words for connotation), last year and it is applied to suicide bombers today (isn't it a little hard for a suicide bomber to be a revolutionary?) and everybody is outraged. Forgive me if I think this is silly - and of course the Reagan stuff was in jest - but this is really silly.
Wacka Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 What i think Kelly and Ruben look like right now: (Fingers in ears) LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you! How soon until your head explodes?
Terry Tate Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 ...but this is really silly. It's not silly, it's "important"! Because there's "idiots" who don't like MM, and they quoted something stupid he said! And I won't stand for it! He doesn't actually like the forces fighting and killing our soldiers - he doesn't want them to win, even though he says they will - he just compared them to the heroes who risked their lives to found our nation because, because ... GAAAAHHH!
Reuben Gant Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 It's not silly, it's "important"! Because there's "idiots" who don't like MM, and they quoted something stupid he said! And I won't stand for it! He doesn't actually like the forces fighting and killing our soldiers - he doesn't want them to win, even though he says they will - he just compared them to the heroes who risked their lives to found our nation because, because ... GAAAAHHH! 381127[/snapback] The silly part is pairing a story about a suicide bomber killing 26 people TODAY when you really want to discuss what Michael Moore said 13 months ago. That is my point.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 It's not silly, it's "important"! Because there's "idiots" who don't like MM, and they quoted something stupid he said! And I won't stand for it! He doesn't actually like the forces fighting and killing our soldiers - he doesn't want them to win, even though he says they will - he just compared them to the heroes who risked their lives to found our nation because, because ... GAAAAHHH! 381127[/snapback] You're right. When you're right, you're right. Reading comprehension and being ingenuous is completely unimportant. Why bother. You clearly don't.
Terry Tate Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 You're right. When you're right, you're right. Reading comprehension and being ingenuous is completely unimportant. Why bother. You clearly don't. What can I say, when the topic is the feather-lightweight intellect of a superheavyweight, I see no reason to take it seriously. Feel the wind, plank!
philburger1 Posted July 14, 2005 Author Posted July 14, 2005 While I despise Michael Moore, and what he said was collosally stupid, ill-advised, and ignorant, what he said and was talking about were the Iraqi citizens, not the terrorists and al qaeda guys and foreign fighters in Iraq. These blasts look like the terrorists, although one cannot tell. 381002[/snapback] The blast look like terrorists? Duh, you think so? And who do you think the US is fighting over there? The average Iraq on the street? Don't think so. It's all those lovely Jihad Johnies from places like Syria, Yemen, etc... Isn't lucky for the Iraq people have these !@#$s to come rescue them from US, who were opening a "WATER TREATMENT PLANT"!! My god, we are evil!! I am sure blwoing up all their kids on PURPOSE will really help them out. And don't think for a second this sh-- wouldn't be going on if the US wasn't there. It would be ten times worse if Saddam was killed by Kurds or Shites. If the Iraqs didn't believe in what we we doing, they will be signing up by the thousands to policeman and soliders, risking their lives in the process
Kelly the Dog Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 The blast look like terrorists? Duh, you think so?And who do you think the US is fighting over there? The average Iraq on the street? Don't think so. It's all those lovely Jihad Johnies from places like Syria, Yemen, etc... 381153[/snapback] Exactly! The ones that Michael Moore was NOT talking about. Jesus, the retard rodeo is in full swing today.
Reuben Gant Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 The blast look like terrorists? Duh, you think so?And who do you think the US is fighting over there? The average Iraq on the street? Don't think so. It's all those lovely Jihad Johnies from places like Syria, Yemen, etc... 381153[/snapback] I didn't think Kelly was going to get you to agree so quickly.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 Reagan in the early 80's called Afghans fighting the soviets- who were a radical islamic Muhajadeen- "Freedom Fighters". The Muhajadeen now fire at Americans. Reagan was wrong to call these people "Freedom Fighters" 381114[/snapback] Regardless of your being in jest, I have to point out that the Afghan Mujahadeen was a lot more complex than the US supporting everyone against the USSR. And technically, the Taliban didn't even exist until about 1994 or so...Reagan couldn't have supported them without inventing time travel.
Reuben Gant Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 Regardless of your being in jest, I have to point out that the Afghan Mujahadeen was a lot more complex than the US supporting everyone against the USSR. And technically, the Taliban didn't even exist until about 1994 or so...Reagan couldn't have supported them without inventing time travel. 381167[/snapback] Thanks. There was a time I read all I could on the Mujahadeen. Quite a fascinating war. BTW Rambo was there for a little bit as well. Was it Rambo 4 or something?
blzrul Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 Actually, it is important. It's important because the idiots on the other side of the aisle, almost as big of idiots as MM himself I might add, will use his criminally stupid comments to say things like "liberals think terrorists are minutemen" - when as far as I can tell, exactly NONE of them think that or have said that, and as far as I can tell, only ONE of them think the Iraqi nationals blowing up people are minutemen. So, yes, it is very important to make the distinction of what one assshole said, when you asssholes misquote him, and apply what he said to 100 million people who don't believe they are minutemen as much as you don't believe they are minutemen. 381059[/snapback] To the extent that one defines a "minuteman" as a patriot who fights to defend his homeland, in THEIR minds these insurgents are just that. Naturally the right will @$## all over that, because to do otherwise is to admit that we ARE NOT WINNING. I heard a woman screaming on at the scene today: "MY GOD, THE AMERICANS ARE BLOWING US UP." Doesn't matter that it's not true. It matters that they THINK it's true. And what will follow is more hatred against America and eventually the prophecy that Iraq harbors future terrorists will be very true. So you wingnuts can take solace in the face that Bush was right after all.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 Thanks. There was a time I read all I could on the Mujahadeen.Quite a fascinating war. BTW Rambo was there for a little bit as well. Was it Rambo 4 or something? 381173[/snapback] Rambo II: First Blood Part III. That's the one where he rams the helicopter with a tank. Not the worst movie I've ever seen...but easily the worst movie I've ever seen in the theater. Except maybe Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy this past spring... Ghost Wars by Steven (or Stephen) Coll is a good read on the US (and Pakistani, and Saudi) involvement in Afghanistan from about '79 to '01. Taliban, by Ahmed Rashid, is another excellent book on the rise of the Tailban (Rashid's an excellent read in particular - he's a Pakistani journalist who's spent maybe two decades covering Afghanistan; great sources, great perspective, and very objective, particularly considering how close he is to events). I'm not going to claim those two books together can explain Afghanistan...but I will say that those books will demonstrate precisely how thoroughly !@#$ed up the politics of that region is.
Reuben Gant Posted July 14, 2005 Posted July 14, 2005 Naturally the right will @$## all over that, because to do otherwise is to admit that we ARE NOT WINNING. 381179[/snapback] How do you know what winning is? Or how can you say we are loosing? Neither has been well defined. It is looking that loosing right now would mean a failed state building project- and winning a successful state building project- but I can't speak for my Commander in Cheif.
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