PIZ Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't know what it would take, but I'd like to see some more sacks from our DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 they are both soo slow... at least in madden anyways. i hate playing with both of those de's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't know what it would take, but I'd like to see some more sacks from our DEs. 380614[/snapback] Â I'd like to see a defense that doesn't crumble in their most critical game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't know what it would take, but I'd like to see some more sacks from our DEs. 380614[/snapback] carter was quite good, but now has back problems. i'd steer clear. engelberger is just a guy, no better than what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I'd like to see a defense that doesn't crumble in their most critical game. 380619[/snapback] Â http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20050102_PIT@BUF Â It looks here (and from my view at the stadium that day) like maybe some other factors including offensive "3 and outs", fumbles, INT's and missed FG's weighed in a bit more than any "crumble" by our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20050102_PIT@BUFÂ It looks here (and from my view at the stadium that day) like maybe some other factors including offensive "3 and outs", fumbles, INT's and missed FG's weighed in a bit more than any "crumble" by our D. 380754[/snapback] Â I don't believe there was any single factor for that loss. All of those things factored into it. Did the defense falter in the clutch? Yes. Did the offense help that along w/ missed opportunities and sloppy play? Absolutely. To try to single out one single factor as the reason we lost would be very inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Carter was always undersized and has been injury-prone. Engelberger is the same type of player as Schobel and Kelsay, except not as good. Don't need them OR want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 they are both soo slow... at least in madden anyways. i hate playing with both of those de's 380616[/snapback] are you serious? Carter is one of the fastest DE's in madden he's like a 78 speed.(faster than most linebackers in the game). Engleberger does suck in madden though. Â But in real life Carter is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't believe there was any single factor for that loss. All of those things factored into it. Did the defense falter in the clutch? Yes. Did the offense help that along w/ missed opportunities and sloppy play? Absolutely. To try to single out one single factor as the reason we lost would be very inaccurate. 380760[/snapback]  #2 defenses rise to the occasion regardless of their offensive teammate's mistakes. - so the theory goes.  IRRC, they got walked upon all by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20050102_PIT@BUFÂ It looks here (and from my view at the stadium that day) like maybe some other factors including offensive "3 and outs", fumbles, INT's and missed FG's weighed in a bit more than any "crumble" by our D. 380754[/snapback] Â Â I recall sensing that Bledsoe was going to have "one of those days", which we were all too familiar with, which he did, and basically helped take the steam out of the team. It was almost like guys on the team were thinking, great, here we go again. Â Â From the First Half ============== Â 2-10-BUF25 (9:59) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to L.Evans (W.Williams). Thrown behind receiver, nearly intercepted at BUF 30, right side. 3-10-BUF25 (9:55) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 18 for -7 yards (T.Polamalu). Â Â 1-10-BUF21 (3:22) D.Bledsoe pass intended for R.Neufeld INTERCEPTED by L.Foote at BUF 25. L.Foote to BUF 24 for 1 yard (R.Tucker). Â Â 1-20-BUF44 (11:19) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to L.Evans (C.Hope). Receiver overthrown, nearly intercepted at PIT 40, over middle. Pressure on QB: C.Hoke. 2-20-BUF44 (11:11) (No Huddle) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to Jo.Reed (R.Stuvaints). Receiver and coverage at 50, left side. 3-20-BUF44 (11:07) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to L.Evans. Underthrown, receiver at PIT 41, left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBXBILLSFAN Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 they are both soo slow... at least in madden anyways. i hate playing with both of those de's 380616[/snapback] Ah, yes, I'm sure TD and MM give great credence to their Madden performances in evaluating talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't know what it would take, but I'd like to see some more sacks from our DEs. 380614[/snapback] Â Engelburger will fit right in as a slow white guy with a good motor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't believe there was any single factor for that loss. All of those things factored into it. Did the defense falter in the clutch? Yes. Did the offense help that along w/ missed opportunities and sloppy play? Absolutely. To try to single out one single factor as the reason we lost would be very inaccurate. 380760[/snapback]  True, and that's why I brought up all of those factors as a group. My point though was that all defenses give up drives or a big run/pass play here and there (although we did shut them down for most of the day other than the one long run) but Turnovers are swing points (ie. Clements fumbles on a change of possession, Bledsoe giftwraps a touchdown on a boneheaded play) and that constant three and outs by our offense through the middle quarters of the game cause defensive fatigue. A football game to me is "built" over 4 quarters and develops it's own "history" based on events that have happened over the course of the game; events that impact the end of the game. I for one, refuse to include our defense in any blame game about the loss to Pitt last season without mentioning those other factors first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't want either of them... got a feeling this is Kelsay's break-out year. Â If he plays most of this year like he did in the 2nd Jets game, we'll be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 they are both soo slow... at least in madden anyways. i hate playing with both of those de's 380616[/snapback] Â I agree. Also, Carter ruins team chemistry in Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 R. Rich Posted Today, 12:56 PM Â QUOTE(34-78-83 @ Jul 13 2005, 01:50 PM) http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20050102_PIT@BUF Â It looks here (and from my view at the stadium that day) like maybe some other factors including offensive "3 and outs", fumbles, INT's and missed FG's weighed in a bit more than any "crumble" by our D. Â Â Â Â Â Â I don't believe there was any single factor for that loss. All of those things factored into it. Did the defense falter in the clutch? Yes. Did the offense help that along w/ missed opportunities and sloppy play? Absolutely. To try to single out one single factor as the reason we lost would be very inaccurate. I agree with you R.Rich. There were many reasons why the Bills lost that game. It is very difficult to pin it all on just one side of the team. The entire team did not look good throughout the entire game. One thing that I have reminded people about that game was how Mike Mularkey picked the worst time of the season to coach his worst game. The offensive play calling was far too ultra conservative. Where were the trick plays? Why were we throwing short passes over the middle to our TE's constantly? Why did we wait until late in the second half to throw deep to Evans? Why did'nt the Bills offense come out guns-a-blazing? I did not get that sense of urgency from the Bills that the playoffs were on the line. I could be wrong, but they seemed subdued. Even when they had the lead 17-16, it still seemed like they were playing not to lose. When Lindell missed that 28 yard FG, it almost sealed the Bills' fate, even though they were still winning at the time. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Maybe it's just me. But I can't see myself rooting for a Defensive End named Dingleberry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Maybe it's just me. 381347[/snapback] Â It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 2 and 14 teams are loaded with top talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Engelburger will fit right in as a slow white guy with a good motor 380861[/snapback] Engleberger traded to the Broncos per ESPN. Broncos now have 16 DL on the roster, including all of Clevelands castoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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