Ghost of BiB Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Right now Bin Laden is operationally impotent. AQ and the franchises are well aware of that. As was mentioned, he IS still an ideological figurehead. Keeping him out of the public eye, whether by killing him or trying him, harms him more than us. He can make all the speeches he wants, but he's basically old news to anyone in the terror guy chain of command. Bin Laden didn't plan the 9/11 attacks, anyway. He was "chief of state", giving approvals and encouragement - but the actual planner is dead. He still says "Yea, Verily" on occassion to keep the masses pumped - but can't do much else. He can and does give general strategic direction, but their strategy is pretty easy. Any number of several could do it. To kill him now, by that I mean a full court press to go after him, would do much more harm than good in the overall scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Most would. Doesn't mean that's the most effective way to prosecute the campaign against him, though. 378954[/snapback] The time to go balls out and show the world we were "mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore" was in the months after 9/11. We could have pulled a "Sherman", rolled and flew the entire U.S. Military across Afghanistan, flattenned the place, gotten Omar, gotten bin Laden and could have had a "bin Laden skull keg party" on CNN, with GWB slugging Coors Light out of bin Laden's bloody head and NOBODY ANYWHERE would have said a damn word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 The time to go balls out and show the world we were "mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore" was in the months after 9/11. We could have pulled a "Sherman", rolled and flew the entire U.S. Military across Afghanistan, flattenned the place, gotten Omar, gotten bin Laden and could have had a "bin Laden skull keg party" on CNN, with GWB slugging Coors Light out of bin Laden's bloody head and NOBODY ANYWHERE would have said a damn word. 379027[/snapback] Which still would have made him a martyr. Look, you put him in front of me and hand me a gun, I'll personally put a bullet in his brainpan. But that's vengeance, not strategy. From a strategic point of view, we're better off now with him alive and marginalized rather than dead and martyred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Find him, Kill him, stuff him a bag, weigh it down, toss him in the gulf. And dont tell anyone. Let the fishies have the remains........ Just make it seem like we're still looking for him after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Sincerely, Clueless Liberals (or "pussies" to use "Team America!" verbage) 378945[/snapback] And if we kill the whole middle east, we'll wipe out the problem. Sincerely, !@#$! (to use Team America! verbage) Conservatives I love Team America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Seems like the "administration" has been hinting the last few weeks that Bin Laden is in Iran. Ultimately, it won't matter if he is, as long as there is a reason to invade Iran...and like Rich In Ohio says, once he isn't found there, he will be proclaimed as pretty inconsequencial at this point...the groundwork is being laid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckey Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Right now Bin Laden is operationally impotent. AQ and the franchises are well aware of that. As was mentioned, he IS still an ideological figurehead. Keeping him out of the public eye, whether by killing him or trying him, harms him more than us. He can make all the speeches he wants, but he's basically old news to anyone in the terror guy chain of command. Bin Laden didn't plan the 9/11 attacks, anyway. He was "chief of state", giving approvals and encouragement - but the actual planner is dead. He still says "Yea, Verily" on occassion to keep the masses pumped - but can't do much else. He can and does give general strategic direction, but their strategy is pretty easy. Any number of several could do it. To kill him now, by that I mean a full court press to go after him, would do much more harm than good in the overall scheme of things. 378976[/snapback] Provided that Zarqawi would be the one that is responsible for help in planning an/the attack on US, then he would be more important. Otherwise we could be harboring false hope on that one... time will tell. I guarantee no one wants to pull out of Iraq now. But Zarqawi just a renegade terrorist in Iraq. Time will tell if the administration was strategiclly correct regardless of political motives for war or not. Capturing Bin Laden would give the world a boost of moral not to mention thanks to the good ole USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Alive and hiding in a cave somewhere in the Hindu Kush. Which, when you think about it, is the best thing for us. Kill him, and you make him a martyr. Capture him and put him on trial, and you not only make him a martyr but give him more credibility than he deserves. Keep him hiding in caves in the western Himalayan plateau, and he's as marginalized as you can likely make him. 378786[/snapback] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 But the Zarq-man is over in Iraq, he's not threatening us, he just wants us out of Iraq, so if we leave Iraq immediately he'll leave us alone and everything in the world will be sunshine and lollipops... 378935[/snapback] ...and babies and rainbows..... BTW, if OBL lives another 30 years I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually gets the "Castro" treatment, or worse yet the "Arafat" treatment, and he's eventually looked on as an important and influential "leader" who brought about global change in the early 21st century. [/mainstream media whitewashing of murderous thug] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I think the French will capture him. But then, what will they do with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 ...and babies and rainbows..... BTW, if OBL lives another 30 years I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually gets the "Castro" treatment, or worse yet the "Arafat" treatment, and he's eventually looked on as an important and influential "leader" who brought about global change in the early 21st century. [/mainstream media whitewashing of murderous thug] 379111[/snapback] The Arafat treatment? You mean he is going to get the Nobel Peace Prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 The Arafat treatment? You mean he is going to get the Nobel Peace Prize? 379114[/snapback] Even the Nobel Prize jumped the shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Even the Nobel Prize jumped the shark. 379119[/snapback] That would be an injustice, neither Bin Laden nor Arafat were as cool as Fonzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 That would be an injustice, neither Bin Laden nor Arafat were ascool as Fonzi. 379126[/snapback] Hard to believe a 5'6" 145 pound guy sporting a duck tail and a leather jacket could lead the "Hotpockets" revolution - but lead he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Hard to believe a 5'6" 145 pound guy sporting a duck tail and a leather jacket could lead the "Hotpockets" revolution - but lead he did. 379156[/snapback] He did indeed change our world, and then produced MacGyver. That man just kept on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 He did indeed change our world, and then produced MacGyver.That man just kept on giving. 379162[/snapback] Don't forget the brilliant "Night Shift". LOVE BROKERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Provided that Zarqawi would be the one that is responsible for help in planning an/the attack on US, then he would be more important. Otherwise we could be harboring false hope on that one... time will tell. I guarantee no one wants to pull out of Iraq now. But Zarqawi just a renegade terrorist in Iraq. Time will tell if the administration was strategiclly correct regardless of political motives for war or not. Capturing Bin Laden would give the world a boost of moral not to mention thanks to the good ole USA. 379098[/snapback] I'd love to sit down and have a drink with you sometime. You have much to learn, grasshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Don't forget the brilliant "Night Shift". LOVE BROKERS! 379167[/snapback] Now THAT was true genious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I'd love to sit down and have a drink with you sometime. You have much to learn, grasshopper. 379173[/snapback] He has so much to learn, I couldn't sit down with him without several drinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I'd love to sit down and have a drink with you sometime. You have much to learn, grasshopper. 379173[/snapback] Better be careful, you might go to jail for contributing to minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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