The_Real Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 "I know it looks like we're heavy these last two years on offense, but to me, every time we address an offensive player I think our defense gets better as well," he said. "If we can keep our defense off the field because we're better controlling the football, or better on third down, because we've gotten guys who are playmakers on third down, then our defense automatically is better. I look at it as a whole team thing than just an offensive draft." "I think when we're planning now we'll have the ability to do some things differently, again being smart on how we do it. Sometimes you get enamored by a guy's skills, or what other teams are doing. It looks pretty, but if you don't have the guys capable then you're asking for trouble. But I think we've got the ability to do some more things than we've done in the last year, but again being smart about it." - Coach Mike Mularkey discussing plans for a more versatile offense under mobile QB J.P. Losman and new WR Roscoe Parrish. http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/BUF/8635169 I see alot of slot recievers have success in the NFL. Az Hakim and Randel El are the two that come to mind immediately, but even going back to the good ol' days with Lofton and Reed, Beebe was always a good receiver in the slot. Judging from the way Mularkey has talked about using Parrish, do you think he could make a huge splash this year? I expect all three receivers to be good if they are healthy and we can keep J.P alive long enough to deliver strikes. I'm just getting excited to see 3rd and 7 with a nickel back or safety covering Roscoe. I loved this guy's ability at Miami. He had the speed to go down field, but his quickness is unreal. A few different times last year, I seen him make good catches but GREAT runs after catch. I'm also pretty sure we've all seen how tough he is (The video where he gets his head taken off). Is Roscoe gonna light it up this year in your opinion? T_R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Can't say...inexperienced qb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 Can't say...inexperienced qb... 378292[/snapback] I agree, but factoring that in your opinion is that he will.... Also, I don't think that is going to be his only value to the Bills. He's a monster PR specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I agree, but factoring that in your opinion is that he will....Also, I don't think that is going to be his only value to the Bills. He's a monster PR specialist. 378295[/snapback] I wish him well - but tho' he took hits in college, working the middle against pro players is a different thing. To me, it was an odd chioce in the first place unless they think that Moulds is declining. Dunno. The STL receivers play on a racetrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchobelForcedFumble Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I dont know if he will be the next cure all in the slot position but he HAS to be better than Stone Hands. AKA Josh Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 I dont know if he will be the next cure all in the slot position but he HAS to be better than Stone Hands. AKA Josh Reed 378302[/snapback] You know I thought that too, but looking at Josh Reed's numbers out of the slot, he wasn't all that bad. 37 and 58 receptions out of the slot is awesome pruduction. Better numbers than Randel El in his first two years but just had untimely dropsies. I hope he puts it together and catches on with the Bills. I think he's got tons of talent if he can pull his head out of his arse. I also believe the Bills have all but closed the door on him. If he comes into camp ready to go then maybe he'll put it together. If not I think he becomes a roster spot casualty. Too expensive to not see alot of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I'm just getting excited to see 3rd and 7 with a nickel back or safety covering Roscoe. I hope we don't see a 3rd and 7 all year. My pipe dream is that the running game works so well that it sells the play-action off the run, and we don't get into 3rd and long as often as last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 You know I thought that too, but looking at Josh Reed's numbers out of the slot, he wasn't all that bad. 37 and 58 receptions out of the slot is awesome pruduction. Better numbers than Randel El in his first two years but just had untimely dropsies. Those 58 passes (in 2003) were as the #2 WR. He'll have to come into TC like a bat out of hell, but I think the Bills have all but given Parrish the #3 spot and are hoping JR becomes a great #4 and then it's sayonara after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I watched Parrish in the replay of the Scouting Combine on NFL Network yesterday. Parrish looked very average, and not very quick. But hey, what's one drill? He has obviously shown he's a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I watched Parrish in the replay of the Scouting Combine on NFL Network yesterday. Parrish looked very average, and not very quick. But hey, what's one drill? He has obviously shown he's a playmaker. 378586[/snapback] I was watching that this morning before I went to work. I tivo'd the rest of it, so I'll try to catch all of it tonight. Parrish didn't look very impressive in what I saw. My main concern is w/ him being able to get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. I just don't know how he'll fare if he can't do that, especially considering that he's only 168lbs. He'll have to use a lot of motion, and even that isn't a guarantee that he'll be able to get off the line clean. Remember when we were using Winfield to cover the slot? Other teams experiment w/ that also in certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Parrish didn't look very impressive in what I saw. My main concern is w/ him being able to get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. I just don't know how he'll fare if he can't do that, especially considering that he's only 168lbs. He'll have to use a lot of motion, and even that isn't a guarantee that he'll be able to get off the line clean. Remember when we were using Winfield to cover the slot? Other teams experiment w/ that also in certain circumstances. 378593[/snapback] Other teams using their best or second best coverman on the slot against Roscoe Parrish would be the best thing that could happen to the Bills on third down. That means one the good guys, Moulds and Evans, are covered by one of the bad guys (the other team's #2 and/or #3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I was watching that this morning before I went to work. I tivo'd the rest of it, so I'll try to catch all of it tonight. Parrish didn't look very impressive in what I saw. My main concern is w/ him being able to get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. I just don't know how he'll fare if he can't do that, especially considering that he's only 168lbs. He'll have to use a lot of motion, and even that isn't a guarantee that he'll be able to get off the line clean. Remember when we were using Winfield to cover the slot? Other teams experiment w/ that also in certain circumstances. 378593[/snapback] Hmmm... I would still like to see Reed get some schooling in RB sets in camp. Keith Byers/Larry Centers types save young qb's skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Other teams using their best or second best coverman on the slot against Roscoe Parrish would be the best thing that could happen to the Bills on third down. That means one the good guys, Moulds and Evans, are covered by one of the bad guys (the other team's #2 and/or #3). 378598[/snapback] It's not that simple, Kelly and you know that. Considering how teams disguise their coverages all the time, one can see single on the outside pre-snap, but that's not the case, actually. That, plus the hybrid safeties (converted LBs like Michael Boulware in Seattle) that have become all the rage now also make it diffucult to just line up multiple WRs and think you can just beat a defense w/ it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 It's not that simple, Kelly and you know that. Considering how teams disguise their coverages all the time, one can see single on the outside pre-snap, but that's not the case, actually. That, plus the hybrid safeties (converted LBs like Michael Boulware in Seattle) that have become all the rage now also make it diffucult to just line up multiple WRs and think you can just beat a defense w/ it. 378605[/snapback] All of that is true. The point I was making, however, was that the Bills used their best cover man, Winfield, in the slot on third downs mostly because we were getting hurt by other team's receivers getting 7 yard catches on 3rd and 6. If other teams started doing that to us, as I thought you were suggesting, using their best coverman inside to take away our slot, they would be doing us a favor. Teams are going to be disguising their coverages anyway, and hybrid safeties are going to cover more ground regardless of where RP may play. He is going to have trouble getting off the line, and I suspect he is being put in the slot not because he is the best slot receiver but simply because he can go in motion and use his quickness to avoid the bump at the line from that position. If teams want to line up their version of AW against that, please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 If my 7th rounder or UDFA flattens or holds up a team's 1st rounder slot man within 5 yards of the LOS, mission accomplished. Spend yer money on blockers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 If my 7th rounder or UDFA flattens or holds up a team's 1st rounder slot man within 5 yards of the LOS, mission accomplished. 378614[/snapback] Actually, Parrish is a 2nd rounder. And if my 2nd rounder with 4.3 speed causes the defender to whiff 3 out of 10 times on the chuck, I'll take it, because that's probably 3 TDs. Parrish will need to work himself into the lineup, but when he does, the Bills will have two sub 4.4 guys on the field who can catch. At that point, the Bills offense will dictate coverages to the defense, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Actually, Parrish is a 2nd rounder. And if my 2nd rounder with 4.3 speed causes the defender to whiff 3 out of 10 times on the chuck, I'll take it, because that's probably 3 TDs. Parrish will need to work himself into the lineup, but when he does, the Bills will have two sub 4.4 guys on the field who can catch. At that point, the Bills offense will dictate coverages to the defense, not the other way around. 378621[/snapback] I hope so, but it will take a qb who notices and a line that gives a qb time to notice. 4.3 is not required in 10 - 15 yard patterns. I think they drafted him as Mould's replacement - in this business, having a big numbers guy fills the stands pretty much as well as a winning record does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 He is going to have trouble getting off the line, and I suspect he is being put in the slot not because he is the best slot receiver but simply because he can go in motion and use his quickness to avoid the bump at the line from that position. If teams want to line up their version of AW against that, please do. 378612[/snapback] You have to be thinking that MM and TC drafted him with a specific goal in how to use him. I'll wager that RP will be a thorn in the side to a few teams, esp. the ones that are thin in experienced DBs. Let's face it, the rules are slanted toward the offense. No shame in trying to take advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 While it's unquestionable that Parrish was drafted to be the Bills third receiver, I don't think it's necessarily true that they plan to use him in the slot. When we had Reed, Lofton, and Beebe, we'd go to three WR sets that put Reed in the slot and used Beebe as a flanker or split end - I can see the same thing done with Parrish and Moulds. Burners split out wide in Evans and Parrish, with Moulds lining up in the slot, ready to make the 7 yard catch on 3rd and 6. If Moulds draws a top cover-guy or double coverage inside, then you have Evans and Parrish open deep with big-play opportunities. This makes sense if you think that Moulds has lost a step speed-wise, and can excell as a possession receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 You have to be thinking that MM and TC drafted him with a specific goal in how to use him. I'll wager that RP will be a thorn in the side to a few teams, esp. the ones that are thin in experienced DBs. Let's face it, the rules are slanted toward the offense. No shame in trying to take advantage of that. 378633[/snapback] Absolutely. I doubt they ever believe he will be a #1 or #2 receiver. But a #3 who causes trouble for an entire defense and opens things up for your other receivers and backs can be extremely useful and important. Parrish is a guy who can have very marginal numbers and still be a huge boost to an offense. I suspect he is going to run a lot of reverses, WR screens, fake reverses, throw passes, etc. Not completely a gimmick but just imaginiative ways to make defenses think and prepare differently for us. That way, Evans and Moulds and McGahee can reap a lot of benefits, even if Parrish is getting 3-4 touches a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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