Talonz Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have recently tried Party Poker for the first time...I like it..Very addicting, especially if you can make some $$$$.... Who here plays online? Is there a better site? Does anyone use any "helper" applications??? ( not illegal ones, but calculators ).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 beware of playing against "teams"and highly unlikely multiple strong hands on a frequent basis. full houses are a dime a dozen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have recently tried Party Poker for the first time...I like it..Very addicting, especially if you can make some $$$$.... Who here plays online? Is there a better site? Does anyone use any "helper" applications??? ( not illegal ones, but calculators ).. 377911[/snapback] I play from time to time but I don't like to play much for the reasons mentioned by the previous poster. For one teaming up is nearly impossible to catch, and it's not exactly like the people doing it would need much IQ. The other thing that really bothers me the incredible hands that appear. I have gotten 4 of a kind, a straight flush, and a royal online all in the past year. This happens at every site I have played at, and I'm not the only one getting these crazy hands. People also tend to make hands at a percentage way higher then usual, this could lead to people staying in more hands, which would give the house a larger cut. I'm not convinced yet that these companies are fraudulent, some of which are very respected such as Party Poker. However in my experiences online the percentages do not seem to match up with the those you would see playing in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I've been addicted since football ended. I play $1/2 limit on Party and Paradise, up $1500. The notion that these sites are rigged is pretty ridiculous and generally an excuse for losers (I used to be one of them before I started reading and learning from good players). You see more good hands online because you play way more hands. If you're playing on two 6-man tables you're playing 100 hands/hour. If you go to your local casino you're lucky to play 1/4 as many in the same time span. I played in a home game tourney the other day where 1 guy had 10,9, another had KQ, and I had A10 on a KQJ flop. **** happens in live games too - which anybody who watches the WPT on the Travel channel can attest to. The rake is also much better online. Despite the horrible players at Turning Stone it's pretty much impossible to beat the limit games in the long run when every $10+ pot is raked $3. Hit the books and put the paranoia behind you if you want to get serious about it. I look back at how much I didn't know about the game a year ago and wonder how I didn't lose more $; and I still have a lot to learn. Whoever said "it takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master" could not have been more correct. PokerTracker is a great program to track the stats of yourself and your opponents FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 The notion that these sites are rigged is pretty ridiculous and generally an excuse for losers (I used to be one of them before I started reading and learning from good players). 377926[/snapback] I never said it was rigged, I said I don’t believe it to be completely random. I don't think the poker sites have some conspiracy going against the players, people win all the time. I just think you have some factors involved that would make it beneficial to the house to keep players in hands. This is not a "losers" attitude; they make more on the rake by keeping players in, that’s a fact. It's also a fact that several internet gambling web sites have used fraudulent software in the past, many of which went on doing it for several years. So if the cards were not being dealt at random how would you or anybody else have any way of knowing that? Even if it is just about more hands being dealt I still don't like the fact that people could be teaming up at the tables. When it comes to gambling you have enough risk to deal with from the start, and just having these potential things exist makes it difficult for me to wager much on online poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 As far as randomness of cards go...Many people use poker tracking software which allows them to analyze how they play. THis software will give you how many times you have been dealt each individual hand. The advent of this software allows the gamers to police the online gaming companies. Once you play thousands or millions of hands, it will become clear that these companies are not "stacking the deck" to increase their bottom line. As far as teaming up goes, I know pokerstars and other sites spend alot of time protecting against this. They look for patterns. If the same 2 people play at the same table often, they will monitor the table and make sure there is nothing suspicious going on. This is not easilly preventable, I agree, but this is their business. And the viability of their business relies upon a fair and even playing surface for all involved. They will do whatever they can to make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoak Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have recently tried Party Poker for the first time...I like it..Very addicting, especially if you can make some $$$$.... Who here plays online? Is there a better site? Does anyone use any "helper" applications??? ( not illegal ones, but calculators ).. 377911[/snapback] My main source of income is playing poker right now, mostly online. There is no conspiracy and its very rare to find collusion going on, espically at the big sites (Partypoker+skins, PokerStars, PrimaPoker). As far as using 'helping' programs, most serious players use poker tracker+some form of HUD (heads up display), which gives you on the fly stats on opponents. If your only playing one table, you don't need a HUD, but if your going to 4 table, its a necessity. My advice to the new player is take advantage of signup bonuses at different sites and learn to play whatever game your going to play well. Also, if you are going to get serious about the game online, you need to get some sort of rakeback deal. I make an extra 500-800 every month just in a rake rebate deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 The notion that these sites are rigged is pretty ridiculous and generally an excuse for losers (I used to be one of them before I started reading and learning from good players). You see more good hands online because you play way more hands. If you're playing on two 6-man tables you're playing 100 hands/hour. If you go to your local casino you're lucky to play 1/4 as many in the same time span. Good point. Another factor is that on low limit tables, a lot of people never fold before the flop. Most people will hold any suited cards, no matter which ones they are, position, etc. Thus on any given hand you might have 2 or 3 people just sitting around waiting for the flush. Over time of course that is a horrible stragety, but it hits enough to piss you off and cost you a big pot when you are playing trips or top two pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Good point. Another factor is that on low limit tables, a lot of people never fold before the flop. Most people will hold any suited cards, no matter which ones they are, position, etc. Thus on any given hand you might have 2 or 3 people just sitting around waiting for the flush. Over time of course that is a horrible stragety, but it hits enough to piss you off and cost you a big pot when you are playing trips or top two pair. 378017[/snapback] The vast majority of LL players also slowplay way too much, which contributes to a lot of the river suckouts. I mean, when you flop trip 9's that's a good hand but not a monster. If you're smoothcalling that flop instead of raising it like you should you're kinda asking for a suckout - especially when there are 5 other people in the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 The vast majority of LL players also slowplay way too much, which contributes to a lot of the river suckouts. I mean, when you flop trip 9's that's a good hand but not a monster. If you're smoothcalling that flop instead of raising it like you should you're kinda asking for a suckout - especially when there are 5 other people in the hand. 378024[/snapback] Exactly. Better to win a small pot than lose a big one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoak Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Good point. Another factor is that on low limit tables, a lot of people never fold before the flop. Most people will hold any suited cards, no matter which ones they are, position, etc. Thus on any given hand you might have 2 or 3 people just sitting around waiting for the flush. Over time of course that is a horrible stragety, but it hits enough to piss you off and cost you a big pot when you are playing trips or top two pair. 378017[/snapback] The quote david sklansky: "The hallmark of low limit players is to play too many hands and take marginal hands too far". If you guys want to learn how to beat these games, read small stakes hold'em, by sklansky and miller. Its the bible amongst most players who are crushing the 2/4 and 3/6 games at party poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 The quote david sklansky: "The hallmark of low limit players is to play too many hands and take marginal hands too far". If you guys want to learn how to beat these games, read small stakes hold'em, by sklansky and miller. Its the bible amongst most players who are crushing the 2/4 and 3/6 games at party poker. 378038[/snapback] Uhhh... Mods please delete post. I think I'm gonna write up a bad review for that book on Amazon. Everyone stay away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taterhill Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I play on Party Poker and Bodog....have not won much on bodog, but have done pretty well on PP...usually play $100NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoak Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Just a word of warning. One of the most popular HUDs is in the process of being banned today. Poker-Edge, specifically. So, be careful what program you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonz Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 Just a word of warning. One of the most popular HUDs is in the process of being banned today. Poker-Edge, specifically. So, be careful what program you use. 378143[/snapback] I wonder if a HUD that simply gives you the odds would be illegal??? Such as Texas Calculatem???? Also, where did you find out about that ? Is there a news site for such things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoak Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I wonder if a HUD that simply gives you the odds would be illegal??? Such as Texas Calculatem????Also, where did you find out about that ? Is there a news site for such things? 378178[/snapback] The forums at www.twoplustwo.com keeps me pretty up to date. As far as texas calulatate'em goes....if you can't calculate pot odds on the fly, time for you to learn to. I wouldn't learn to depend on that program, as you won't have it at the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchobelForcedFumble Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I am addicted to online poker. I play at pokerroom.com. I use a mac and for some reason that seems to be the only site that I can play on download the games at. I dont know if any other mac users have had this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonz Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 The forums at www.twoplustwo.com keeps me pretty up to date. As far as texas calulatate'em goes....if you can't calculate pot odds on the fly, time for you to learn to. I wouldn't learn to depend on that program, as you won't have it at the table. 378220[/snapback] Do you mean a "real" table or virtual? If virtual, it runs on top of the poker window.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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