Tux of Borg Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-molest01.html He grabbed girl's arm -- now he's a sex offender Fitzroy Barnaby said he had to swerve to avoid hitting the 14-year-old Des Plaines girl who walked in front of his car. She said he yelled, "Come here, little girl," before getting out of his car and grabbing her by the arm. He said he simply lectured her. She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next. In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a sex offender. While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a sex offender when his crime was not sexually motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested. Though Barnaby was acquitted of attempted kidnapping and child abduction charges stemming from the November 2002 incident, he was convicted of unlawful restraint of a minor -- which is a sex offense. 'Most stupid ruling' Now, he will have to tell local police where he lives and won't be able to live near a park or school. "This is the most stupid ruling the appellate court has rendered in years," said Barnaby's Chicago attorney, Frederick Cohn. "If you see a 15-year-old beating up your 8-year-old and you grab that kid's hand and are found guilty of unlawful restraint, do you now have to register as a sex offender?" But Cook County state's attorney spokesman Tom Stanton said Barnaby should have to register "because of the proclivity of offenders who restrain children to also commit sex acts or other crimes against them." In the criminal case against him, Cook County Judge Patrick Morse said that "it's more likely than not" Barnaby planned only "to chastise the girl" when he grabbed her, but "I can't read his mind." "I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute." Recognizing the stigma that comes with being labeled as a sex offender, the appellate court said "it is [barnaby's] actions which have caused him to be stigmatized, not the courts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Anyone named "Fitzroy" should automatically have to register as a sex offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-molest01.html He grabbed girl's arm -- now he's a sex offender Fitzroy Barnaby said he had to swerve to avoid hitting the 14-year-old Des Plaines girl who walked in front of his car. She said he yelled, "Come here, little girl," before getting out of his car and grabbing her by the arm. He said he simply lectured her. She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next. In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a sex offender. While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a sex offender when his crime was not sexually motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested. Though Barnaby was acquitted of attempted kidnapping and child abduction charges stemming from the November 2002 incident, he was convicted of unlawful restraint of a minor -- which is a sex offense. 'Most stupid ruling' Now, he will have to tell local police where he lives and won't be able to live near a park or school. "This is the most stupid ruling the appellate court has rendered in years," said Barnaby's Chicago attorney, Frederick Cohn. "If you see a 15-year-old beating up your 8-year-old and you grab that kid's hand and are found guilty of unlawful restraint, do you now have to register as a sex offender?" But Cook County state's attorney spokesman Tom Stanton said Barnaby should have to register "because of the proclivity of offenders who restrain children to also commit sex acts or other crimes against them." In the criminal case against him, Cook County Judge Patrick Morse said that "it's more likely than not" Barnaby planned only "to chastise the girl" when he grabbed her, but "I can't read his mind." "I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute." Recognizing the stigma that comes with being labeled as a sex offender, the appellate court said "it is [barnaby's] actions which have caused him to be stigmatized, not the courts." 373543[/snapback] Way to go Illinois, make me proud that I live here Keep this up and you'll rank right up there with my birth state of Florida and its inhabitants ability to vote properly in an election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Way to go Illinois, make me proud that I live here Keep this up and you'll rank right up there with my birth state of Florida and its inhabitants ability to vote properly in an election... 373549[/snapback] Picard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-molest01.html He grabbed girl's arm -- now he's a sex offender Fitzroy Barnaby said he had to swerve to avoid hitting the 14-year-old Des Plaines girl who walked in front of his car. She said he yelled, "Come here, little girl," before getting out of his car and grabbing her by the arm. He said he simply lectured her. She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next. In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a sex offender. While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a sex offender when his crime was not sexually motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested. Though Barnaby was acquitted of attempted kidnapping and child abduction charges stemming from the November 2002 incident, he was convicted of unlawful restraint of a minor -- which is a sex offense. 'Most stupid ruling' Now, he will have to tell local police where he lives and won't be able to live near a park or school. "This is the most stupid ruling the appellate court has rendered in years," said Barnaby's Chicago attorney, Frederick Cohn. "If you see a 15-year-old beating up your 8-year-old and you grab that kid's hand and are found guilty of unlawful restraint, do you now have to register as a sex offender?" But Cook County state's attorney spokesman Tom Stanton said Barnaby should have to register "because of the proclivity of offenders who restrain children to also commit sex acts or other crimes against them." In the criminal case against him, Cook County Judge Patrick Morse said that "it's more likely than not" Barnaby planned only "to chastise the girl" when he grabbed her, but "I can't read his mind." "I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute." Recognizing the stigma that comes with being labeled as a sex offender, the appellate court said "it is [barnaby's] actions which have caused him to be stigmatized, not the courts." 373543[/snapback] Geez. Imagine what would have happened if he'd posted on the internet how hot he thought a 15 year old girl was. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 The more I think about it, this guy should have just hit the girl. It could have been his contribution to restoring a gene pool that has been stretched way too thin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 The more I think about it, this guy should have just hit the girl. It could have been his contribution to restoring a gene pool that has been stretched way too thin... 373566[/snapback] He would have gotten off easier in court, too. Hitting her is assault, but NOT a sex offense like restraining her is, so he wouldn't have been branded for life. How in the world does that make sense? What !@#$ing troop of dumbass monkeys masquerading as a legislature passed these bullsh-- laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 He would have gotten off easier in court, too. Hitting her is assault, but NOT a sex offense like restraining her is, so he wouldn't have been branded for life. How in the world does that make sense? What !@#$ing troop of dumbass monkeys masquerading as a legislature passed these bullsh-- laws? 373570[/snapback] That would most likely be the Chicago Political Machine as it is referred to by anyone who does not reside in the Chicago area. Great group of folks actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Of course anyone lays a hand on my daughter, a trial won't be neccessary and he won't need to register other than to tell the headstone people where to place his marker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Sorry. I don't feel bad for this guy. Do I think he's a sex offender? Most likely, no. But does that give him ANY right to put his hand on a child, especially in this day and age? What good did he think he would do? Some people are so arrogant to think they can change the world by yelling at a child and reminding her to look both ways before crossing. In this scenario, the best outcome is her walking away thinking "what a weird old man"and worst case... well, he gets accused of being a potential pedophile. This guy had absolutely no right to grab this child whatsoever. Why he is being looked at as a victim is puzzling to me. I've spent the last hour watching updates about the Idaho child kidnapping/triple (possible 4x) murder case. So MAYBE the guy was just going to yell at her. However maybe if she hadn't broken his grip on her arm, she'd being laying dead in his basement. Lesson learned for this guy. If it's not your child, it's not your place to disipline. (unless of course you're an authority figure, ie teacher, day care, etc... but even then, you shouldn't be touching them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Sorry. I don't feel bad for this guy. Do I think he's a sex offender? Most likely, no. But does that give him ANY right to put his hand on a child, especially in this day and age? What good did he think he would do? Some people are so arrogant to think they can change the world by yelling at a child and reminding her to look both ways before crossing. In this scenario, the best outcome is her walking away thinking "what a weird old man"and worst case... well, he gets accused of being a potential pedophile. This guy had absolutely no right to grab this child whatsoever. Why he is being looked at as a victim is puzzling to me. I've spent the last hour watching updates about the Idaho child kidnapping/triple (possible 4x) murder case. So MAYBE the guy was just going to yell at her. However maybe if she hadn't broken his grip on her arm, she'd being laying dead in his basement. Lesson learned for this guy. If it's not your child, it's not your place to disipline. (unless of course you're an authority figure, ie teacher, day care, etc... but even then, you shouldn't be touching them). 373609[/snapback] You're right. He should've just hit her with his car, instead of swerving to avoid her when she walked out in front of his car. He would've gotten some community service, his insurance company would've paid the bills, and life goes on. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 If it's not your child, it's not your place to disipline. (unless of course you're an authority figure, ie teacher, day care, etc... but even then, you shouldn't be touching them). 373609[/snapback] but i thought it took a village? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 You're right. He should've just hit her with his car, instead of swerving to avoid her when she walked out in front of his car. He would've gotten some community service, his insurance company would've paid the bills, and life goes on. CW 373612[/snapback] No, chris, he should have swirved to not hit her, and yelled "watch where you're walking" out of his window, just like any normal person would. Grabbing someone else's child is not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Grabbing someone else's child is not OK. 373615[/snapback] Guilty until proven innocent, just like our forefathers wanted. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Guilty until proven innocent, just like our forefathers wanted. CW 373619[/snapback] Hey, they're not sending him to jail. All they are doing is making sure a new community he may move into knows that he feels it's OK to grab other people's children when they j-walk. If I were a parent, I would like to know if this guy lived in my comunity so I could have my metal softball bat ready for when he decides its time to give my child pedestrian lessons, while grabbing her arm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfmeister Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 "Wild Palms" tried to teach us this lesson. Too bad for this doofus he didn't get a chace to watch that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 If I were a parent, I would like to know if this guy lived in my comunity so I could have my metal softball bat ready for when he decides its time to give my child pedestrian lessons, while grabbing her arm... 373620[/snapback] You're not a parent, so you can't comment on that. Havn't you been reading the various parenting threads around here? CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Wonder what this portends for the bus driver choking the boy.... Newsflash! You don't grab someone else's kid in this day and age. But 'sex offender' labeling for that is a stupid application of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 You're right. He should've just hit her with his car373612[/snapback] Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Hey, they're not sending him to jail. All they are doing is making sure a new community he may move into knows that he feels it's OK to grab other people's children when they j-walk. If I were a parent, I would like to know if this guy lived in my comunity so I could have my metal softball bat ready for when he decides its time to give my child pedestrian lessons, while grabbing her arm... 373620[/snapback] Please don't ever reproduce. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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