Is Ed Oliver still on the team by September?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

More deep research conducted before making and well thought out post.  Maybe check the post June 1 cut/trade before posting definitive nonsense?  If you took two seconds to look…   $9.2M hit the next 3 years with savings of 2M, 15M, 16M.  

Obviously optimal, but Beane has proven he’s willing take on large cap hits to shed players he no longer wants. 

 

If a player is washed, yep. But to take that hit on a guy who is still playing at a good level when for an extra $2.5m he could still be on your team, I don't see it. 

 

2027 is the earliest Ed will be playing anywhere else.

[TheWeatherMan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If a player is washed, yep. But to take that hit on a guy who is still playing at a good level when for an extra $2.5m he could still be on your team, I don't see it. 

 

2027 is the earliest Ed will be playing anywhere else.

Agree, but I think they have the flexibility to bail in 2026 if his play tapers off in 25. 

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Someone is still mad from another thread. You're the guy complaining about not investing in the offense and you want to cut a defensive player and push dead cap to future years to handcuff the cap. Let's just leave the issue in the other thread and decide not to like each other and not cluster every other thread on the board with this nonsense. I'm going to do it regardless but you can feel free to remain triggered.

Reading comprehension man…never said I want to see Ed cut.  Simply saying the Bills have the flexibility to do so if they want.  Beane is not afraid to take on dead cap, the last two years are prime examples of that.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Agree, but I think they have the flexibility to bail in 2026 if his play tapers off in 25. 

 

Yea it isn't an impossible contract to get out of in 2026, but it's the sort of thing you only do if you think a guy is not good enough to be on the field anymore (normally coming off a serious injury) OR is a major locker room headache. If you look at the three times Beane has done it in the last few years it has been for Von (washed after a serious injury), Tre (not the same guy after a serious injury) and Diggs (locker room headache). 

 

Even if Ed has another meandering first half of the year, like he did in 2024, I'm not sure that is enough to make absorbing the dead cap when for another $2.5m he could play for you. 

[H2o]

Ed is absolutely on this team in September. It's the same old Bills fans who even bring this up or think he won't be. 

[DCofNC]

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Taking $21M in dead cap is a nuclear option when you only have to pay the guy an extra $3M to play all year for you. no chance that happens.

He has 19 sacks over the last 3 years. Rousseau has 21 and plays a lot more.

I don’t think anyone disputes seeing Rousseau a lot more.

[Coldfronts]

His 2024 stats dipped partly due to a hamstring injury and frequent double teams he still ranked 14th in quarterback hits and 27th in hurries among defensive linemen.

[HOUSE]

17 minutes ago, H2o said:

Ed is absolutely on this team in September. It's the same old Bills fans who even bring this up or think he won't be. 

Who are you calling old??

 I am younger than Clint Eastwood 🤔 

[bmur66]

Does a one legged duck swim in a circle?

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea it isn't an impossible contract to get out of in 2026, but it's the sort of thing you only do if you think a guy is not good enough to be on the field anymore (normally coming off a serious injury) OR is a major locker room headache. If you look at the three times Beane has done it in the last few years it has been for Von (washed after a serious injury), Tre (not the same guy after a serious injury) and Diggs (locker room headache). 

 

Even if Ed has another meandering first half of the year, like he did in 2024, I'm not sure that is enough to make absorbing the dead cap when for another $2.5m he could play for you. 

June 1st designation frees up ~10M in cap, if he’s not earning it..

[HOUSE]

Maybe I should look at Dawson Knox's house 🏠 🤔 

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Maybe I should look at Dawson Knox's house 🏠 🤔 

The restraining order against you says to try and find it online. 

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's uncuttable/tradeable until after 2026. I'd be shocked if he doesn't play out his whole deal the way it's structured.

yeah I would move on on this one

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Are you looking for a horse farm, or sleeping in a stable? We don’t judge. 

Mr Hands situation?

[BearNorth]

Aaron Donald, same size and position as Ed lasted ten years in the league.  Not saying Ed is comparable, but this is his 6th year, so one would think he has two more quality years left.  Ed does need to get better in run defense where he grades out in the lower 3rd of the league, although McDermott limits his snaps in obvious run situations.

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

June 1st designation frees up ~10M in cap, if he’s not earning it..

 

It opens up cap in that year, yes. But he'd have to be more than slightly underperforming to make it worth taking on that level of dead cap for a $2.5m saving, however you spread it across years for cap purposes. 

 

He'd have to be washed or a locker room issue. And I just don't see it.

[Don Otreply]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I am looking to buy a horse farm in East Aurora and if Ed Oliver were traded away I could get a real cushy deal.

Buffalo drafted some much bigger defensive players, Ed is small  6'1" and has a fairly big contract. Branden Beane needs cap space for the next superstar wide receiver. You probably don't care about stupid wide receivers but I do.

Anyway....

I am hoping to get the horses too. 🐎 

So you found your wallet…, 

[nedboy7]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Actually what cost us on the final drive had nothing to do with separation, and we in fact had guys wide open and the plays were not made.  For example, Josh Allen having a pass to a wide open Samuel and sure first down knocked down at the line of scrimmage.  Or Josh Allen getting fooled on 4th down about where the blitz was coming from and cheating the protection on the wrong side leading to Allen not seeing a wide open Shakir to the left for an easy first down and instead heaving to heave an inaccurate pass (due to the unblocked blitz in his face) to what had been a wide open Kincaid by a wide margin , except the heave was way behind him forcing Kincaid on bad knees to try and stop and come back to the ball.  
 

No disrespect, but we had separation all over the place on the final drive, and open guys on pretty much every play…not executing on those plays is what cost us on the final drive.  

Thank you.  I wonder if some of the fans live in reality or their own echo chamber. 

[T master]

I'd say if Ed has another year like he did last season and some of these younger guys that they got in this draft step up and out perform him I'd say Beane will use him as trade bait or just out & out release him . 

 

This is a performance based business and if your under performing for the pay you are given we have all seen that Beane isn't afraid to cut the chord in order to give those that are performing not only the position on the team but the money they deserve for that performance .

 

I never really understood the pick of Oliver and given his size and his supposed quick get off why they wouldn't try him as an edge rusher because his weight is not that of a D linemen . Sure John Randal played at a lighter weight but he was John Freakin Randal which Ed is not !

 

But he definitely needs to show more than he did last year and if he is the type of guy that needs another player beside him in order to get the job done then he needs to get off some of the cash the Bills have put up for him to do the job expected of him if that be the case .

 

But if he doesn't perform I think he will be gone .

Edited 22 minutes ago by T master

[oldmanfan]

Of course he’ll be on the roster this year.