Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today

[turbo044]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

One of the best WRs left…has not been very good in the league so far

Neither have his QB, offensive coordinators nor Teams to be fair

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

In 2018, Ole Miss had as their receiving corps AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Dawson Knox, Elijah Moore(!), and some guy named Demarkus Lodge who had 65 catches. Their QB had the highest passing-yards-per-game average in the nation too. Yet they managed to go 5-7. To be fair, their defense was atrocious (113th out of 130 teams in points allowed).

Ole Miss always has a ton of guys who get drafted in the first two days of the draft, but they never win anything…same with Mississippi State, but to a lesser extent.

[LEBills]

3 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

Neither have his QB, offensive coordinators nor Teams to be fair

Yea watching him play he hasn’t been very good. It’s not all on his team or QB. He’s better than Leviska Shenault.

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Why don’t you think Moore is that guy?

 

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. 

 

What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do. 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Where are they going to dinner?

Mighty Taco on Sheridan

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. 

 

What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be a pretty short list league wide.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be a pretty short list league wide.

 

The ones who can do it consistently, yes. The Bills only two potential options for addressing that this offseason were a trade for DK and/or a trade up and take a swing at Golden as a projection of a guy who might. But there are guys who can do it who are less all around consistent guys. That is what John Brown was for us in 2019 for example. 

[Coach Tuesday]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

In 2018, Ole Miss had as their receiving corps AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Dawson Knox, Elijah Moore(!), and some guy named Demarkus Lodge who had 65 catches. Their QB had the highest passing-yards-per-game average in the nation too. Yet they managed to go 5-7. To be fair, their defense was atrocious (113th out of 130 teams in points allowed).

 

Maybe Beane should've just calmly thrown out that fact and then turned off his mic...

[SoonerBillsFan]

This is priceless lol

[K D]

I bet Beane doesn't sign him to prove his point that we don't need any receivers. Josh is going to figure out a way to throw the ball to himself like he did last year with the passing and receiving touchdown on the same play 😂 

[Cash]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

I've seen enough.  Sign him!  Of note, the last 2 highlights in the clip are deep routes (featuring bad QB play), one of which came at X against press coverage.  He definitely wasn't asked to go deep much, especially last year, but it's nice to see that it went well for him at least twice in his career.

 

 

39 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

I don't know.  Seems like JAG to me - speedy little guy with a potentially bad attitude.  He was picked slightly higher than Hamler, but they are pretty similar -- they are both very fast slots, and, admittedly, Moore is somewhat more accomplished in college (and meaningfully more in the pros).    But the league valued them closely not long ago, and Hamler has put his ego on the shelf and put in two years of work to earn his way on to our team.  Personally, if we feel compelled to dumpster dive for a WR, I would rather have Keenan Allen, forget the fantasy of 4.35 speed (for now), and move the chains with a proven pro like Allen.  See below:

 

Moore’s second-round draft capital (34th overall to the Jets) reflected stronger consensus compared to Hamler’s late-second-round selection (46th overall to Denver), with scouts citing Moore’s polish and YAC ability as translatable NFL traits. Both profiled as slot-dependent receivers, but Moore’s college production against SEC competition and technical proficiency made him the safer projection.

 

Elijah Moore's Reputation
Recent reports suggest attitude concerns have emerged. During the 2024 season, the Browns benched Moore early in a game against the Bengals for disciplinary reasons, though specifics were undisclosed. Additionally, Reddit discussions speculate about a potential locker-room issue, with one commenter alleging a combination of "lack of skill" and "negative influence" as factors in his unsigned free-agent status.

 

 

Counterpoint:  KJ Hamler has 42 career NFL receptions.  Only 12 of which came after his rookie year, and he's had zero NFL statistics since 2022.  I don't know offhand how many PS elevations he got between us last year and the Colts in 2023, but it's pretty damning either way.  (Either both teams didn't think he'd help them on the field, or he got multiple chances and did nothing with them.)  Never say never, but at this point the overwhelming likelihood is that Hamler just isn't an NFL player.

 

Moore's lowest catch total in 4 years was 37.  In 3 of his 4 pro years, Moore has caught more passes than KJ Hamler's whole career to date.  Obviously there's a lot more to it than just catch totals, but it serves as a useful shorthand.  There's a reason Moore is still unsigned after the draft, but he's been a viable if unspectacular player the past 4 years.  There's really no comparison with where Hamler is currently at.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, sunshynman said:

He played the slot alot for the Browns. Watch his rookie year the Jets. He has speed, gets open, and has soft hands. He looks much better than the gadget guys we have tried.

 

 

That very 1st route we see,is what we do a lot of

[dave mcbride]

25 minutes ago, mannc said:

Ole Miss always has a ton of guys who get drafted in the first two days of the draft, but they never win anything…same with Mississippi State, but to a lesser extent.

Don't know about that. In the last four seasons, they've gone 10-3, 11-2, 8-5, and 10-3 in a brutal conference and have finished ranked 9th once and 11th twice. They also had the number 2 defense in all of college football this past season (in terms of points allowed). 5 of their 11 defensive starters were drafted this past weekend too: guys in the first, second, third, fifth, and sixth rounds. They also had a QB go in round one and a WR in round 2. Their 3 losses in 2024 were by the scores of 20-17, 29-26, and 24-17 (all one-score games). They also beat a stacked Georgia team, 28-10.

 

I don't view national championships or college playoff appearances as proper gauges of good seasons. There are too many teams for one, and secondly it's tough to get past OSU, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Michigan, and to a lesser extent LSU and Oregon giving their recruiting prowess.  

Edited 5 hours ago by dave mcbride

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Nor had a good QB

sometimes the stats are the stats... and that is what you get... but... to your point, if you are to get a player that all of a sudden shows up and kills it like a WR might, one of the reasons is that he was in a system without a QB capable, the Browns were a team like that.  So, maybe just maybe, you put a speed guy out there with JA then you may have some one that breaks out... the concept of 17 being able to run with an offense that is out there getting the ball away quickly a field stretcher that deters the cheating the deep field is an interesting wrinkle that we could find helpful... especially if you start hitting a few of those. 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Where are they going to dinner?

Jim's SteakOut

[BigAl2526]

Depth at slot.  It's hard to imagine the Bills cutting bait with Shakir or moving him to mostly outside play.  Maybe Moore could be effective in gadget plays.  

[oldmanfan]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. 

 

What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do. 

I would submit those guys are rare.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I would submit those guys are rare.

 

The ones who do it consistently sure are.

[chris heff]

If a 25 year old Jerry Rice was brought in for a visit people on this board would complain.

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. 

 

What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do. 

I agree- we don’t have that guy.  
 

Other than DK, which WRs that were available this year could’ve been that guy?  I’d put Josh Palmer up there with the other guys acquired. He plays faster than his 40 and makes plays downfield.  

 

I think it was a tough year to need to bolster the X WR.  Not giving Beane a pass, I feel it was a mistake to wait til rd 7 to draft a WR, I just don’t think there was a guy that would’ve given us the bolded.