Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today

[Big Turk]

36 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

This seems to happen so infrequently that I forget the consequences …

 

Can he can still elect to sign with the Bills at a lesser amount ?  Does this just impact the Bills future comp pick formula or do they need to give up a pick? 

 

Why wouldn't every team do this to all free agents then?

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

First off, they quite obviously should have done a better job addressing the position in the prior 3 drafts.   They can triple dip on DL and DB this draft but couldn't double up on WR in a very deep 2024 draft?

 

But given the circumstance they'd put themselves in,  trading for DK was definitely the play.

 

The trade price was right,  give them a 2 and a day 3 pick to beat Pittsburgh's offer.   Whether some fans were sure about paying him market rate or not he was like the IDEAL fit for their biggest need.......a deep threat they can keep on the field in every down.   It's not a secret that the next free agent WR class is poor and the strength of this draft was defense.   The WR class next year will probably look a lot like this past one,  except this past one looked A LOT better on paper at this time last year.  So 2-3 seasons may pass before you get a surer thing than DK was.  

 

Palmer looks like an over-priced half-measure by comparison.   Hopefully I am wrong about that but I just don't see an 8 figure aav boundary WR there.  

 

 

A key to me regarding Palmer was that with the Chargers getting rid of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams, he had an opportunity but didn’t seem to capitalize on it.  I don’t know how much Harbaugh and staff influenced that but Herbert was still the QB.

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

It's very strange.  Basically forcing another team to trade for a player that you don't have the rights to.

 

Here's a little more clarification. Though I still don't fully understand it. I mean, we haven't moved beyond the qualifying Comp Formula for lost FA's. And if this tender doesn't extend past that and simply locks in the Comp Formula at a certain number, like, what's the point? 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

This staff likes slot WR's more than this board. 

[Billl]

39 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Good homework!  Can't imagine how much time that took.

 

Are you just trying to convince us to not get excited about anything again?

 

 

I’m telling you that Elijah Moore is Elijah Moore.  No less, no more.  He’d probably be a solid addition and get you around 500 yards and a couple TDs…because that’s who he is and what he does.  He’s not going to suddenly become a 900 and 8 guy just because he’s got a better QB.  That’s just not how it works.  

 

I’m sure there have been WRs who changed teams and suddenly broke out because they had a better QB throwing to them, but it’s so rare that it’s not even worth mentioning.  If anything, top WRs do better with lesser QBs who force them the ball.  99% of the time, if you want to know how good a veteran WR is, all you have to do is look at the back of his football card.  If you want to get excited about possibly signing Elijah Moore, have at it.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Billl

[Success]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

I’m telling you that Elijah Moore is Elijah Moore.  No less, no more.  He’d probably be a solid addition and get you around 500 yards and a couple TDs…because that’s who he is and what he does.  He’s not going to suddenly become a 900 and 8 guy just because he’s got a better QB.  That’s just not how it works.  

 

I’m sure there have been WRs who changed teams and suddenly broke out because they had a better QB throwing to them, but it’s so rare that it’s not even worth mentioning.  If anything, top WRs do better with lesser QBs who force them the ball.  99% of the time, if you want to know how good a veteran WR is, all you have to do is look at the back of his football card.

 

 

 

On what are you basing the bolded?

 

[JohnNord]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Here's a little more clarification. Though I still don't fully understand it. I mean, we haven't moved beyond the qualifying Comp Formula for lost FA's. And if this tender doesn't extend past that and simply locks in the Comp Formula at a certain number, like, what's the point? 

 

 

Does this give them a change to re-sign him with the Bills offer 1-year $4M?  
 

[BADOLBILZ]

49 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Palmer over priced? Check https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/wr/sort/contract_average

 

Palmer had 39 catches for 584 last year and the 34th highest paid WR at $9.67m

 

By comparison some in his range

 

Tutu Atwell 42 562 getting $10m

Dyami Brown 30 308 getting $10m

Allen Lazard 37 530 getting $11m

Gabe Davis 20 239 getting $13m

 

 

Yes, overpriced.  

 

72nd in receiving yardage and 115th in receptions.

 

And yes, there are some other overpaid WR's in the NFL.  

 

 

[jkeerie]

Someone on X posted this.  Not sure about his source.

 

[mikemac2001]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Cool. Want to try to match the players with the quotes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure my quote was for Curtis Samuel and yes I think he had ***** qb play. He was also injured to start the year not sure if it ever fully healed but I still think he can produce in the offense 

[Billl]

9 minutes ago, Success said:

 

On what are you basing the bolded?

 

Guys like Megatron and Tyreek had better numbers when their QBs weren’t as good.  As Stafford got better, Johnson’s numbers declined because he didn’t get 200 targets.  When Tyreek went from Mahomes to Tua, his numbers exploded.

 

I’m not saying it’s the rule.  It’s the exception.  The rule is that WRs are what their stats say they are.

[Billl]

22 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Why wouldn't every team do this to all free agents then?

Because you have to offer them 110% of what you paid them last season.

[Brandon]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

This staff likes slot WR's more than this board. 

 

Reading through some comments by Jets and Browns fans,  they seem to think he's better suited to the Z receiver position than slot,  even though you would initially think the latter.  

[Chicharito]

I posted about him earlier about FA I would target. 4.35 40 time. Can’t teach speed and that’s what this team is lacking.

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

61 receptions on 102 targets (59.8% reception rate) and you can't argue the low catch percentage was because he was going deep since he only got 538 yards for 8.8 ypc. 

 

 

You can sure argue ball placement.

28 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Someone on X posted this.  Not sure about his source.

 

Dick move by the Browns.

43 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m telling you that Elijah Moore is Elijah Moore.  No less, no more.  He’d probably be a solid addition and get you around 500 yards and a couple TDs…because that’s who he is and what he does.  He’s not going to suddenly become a 900 and 8 guy just because he’s got a better QB.  That’s just not how it works.  

 

I’m sure there have been WRs who changed teams and suddenly broke out because they had a better QB throwing to them, but it’s so rare that it’s not even worth mentioning.  If anything, top WRs do better with lesser QBs who force them the ball.  99% of the time, if you want to know how good a veteran WR is, all you have to do is look at the back of his football card.  If you want to get excited about possibly signing Elijah Moore, have at it.

 

 

So John Brown, Cole Beasley and Diggs all just remained the same when they got JA throwing them the ball.  Oh wait..

[KOKBILLS]

I don't mind Moore at all for 2025...and I don't have to have high expectations because I don't think they are needed tbh. But I think what he would bring is a good match for what this Offense has become. They are telling us what they want to be, and Moore fits that in the slot and z roles. I think his skill set most definitely overlaps with Shakir and Samuel, but I'm getting the distinct impression the Bills don't care about that... It seems as if they want as many shifty guys that can get open and get YAC as possible. They'll leave the boundary work to Coleman and Palmer.

 

I'm not saying that's what I would do... But I am saying that's what they are doing... 

[LEBills]

Why would any non-desperate FAs want to have anything to do with the Browns when they pull this stuff and also are terrible? 

[BlueRed]

If the bills make him an offer it would be less than 3 mil - right?

 

I guess that’s what makes the Browns tender so interesting here. 

[turbo044]

44 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

You can sure argue ball placement.

Dick move by the Browns.

So John Brown, Cole Beasley and Diggs all just remained the same when they got JA throwing them the ball.  Oh wait..

Mack Collins too.  Of course there's guys like MJS who disappear or whatever his initials are

[Billl]

45 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

So John Brown, Cole Beasley and Diggs all just remained the same when they got JA throwing them the ball.  Oh wait..

Yes.  John Brown had one really good season before he was on the Bills (1000 yards and 7 TDs).  He had one really good season while he was on the Bills (1100 yards and 6 TDs).  That one season was also with 2019 Josh who wasn’t a very good QB yet.

 

Cole Beasley was the same guy in Buffalo as he was in Dallas.  He just got more targets in Buffalo.  His previous career high was 98 targets for 833 yards and 5 TDs.  In Buffalo, he averaged 108 targets for 813 yards and 4 TDS.

 

Same is true of Diggs.  He was an emerging star when Buffalo gave up a first round pick plus for him.  He continued his career arc afterwards while going from 94 targets in his last season in MN to 166 and 164 his first two seasons in Buffalo.

 

WR stats are oddly independent of quality of QB play.