Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

He isn’t.  He’s another slot receiver that is basically Curtis Samuel 2.0.  He’s not a deep threat.  I know Samuel had to work thru injuries but even when he played, he wasn’t impressive and I wondered if Brady knew how best to use him.   Why would one expect it to be any different with Moore?

 

You mean other than smoking DPOY Surtain for like a 60 yard TD in the Broncos playoff game?

Edited 16 hours ago by Big Turk

[dave mcbride]

26 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

He isn’t.  He’s another slot receiver that is basically Curtis Samuel 2.0.  He’s not a deep threat.  I know Samuel had to work thru injuries but even when he played, he wasn’t impressive and I wondered if Brady knew how best to use him.   Why would one expect it to be any different with Moore?

Samuel was very good under Brady in Carolina. He was hurt most of last season but played a lot better at the end. I have some hope for him. He’s a weapon when healthy.

[UKBillFan]

If the Bills signs Moore then, for me, the moves in the draft add up. I hope they manage to get him over the line.

[NeverOutNick]

7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

If the Bills signs Moore then, for me, the moves in the draft add up. I hope they manage to get him over the line.

If they want someone over the line they could get Toney 😀

[BADOLBILZ]

46 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I agree that this was and remains a problem, but I just did not see a realistic way how to fix it this off-season. There were two options maybe, trade for DK Metcalf who I am not sure I would be willing to pay and maybe trade up for Golden which would cost quite a lot (and just like with BTJ, we have no idea if there was a trade partner).

 

Drafting a WR in the 4th or later round was extremely unlikely to help us in this department.

 

If anything, fixing defense at least gives us a chance for the game with Chiefs to be different. And it seems that Beane did everything he could in this draft to try it.

 

 

First off, they quite obviously should have done a better job addressing the position in the prior 3 drafts.   They can triple dip on DL and DB this draft but couldn't double up on WR in a very deep 2024 draft?

 

But given the circumstance they'd put themselves in,  trading for DK was definitely the play.

 

The trade price was right,  give them a 2 and a day 3 pick to beat Pittsburgh's offer.   Whether some fans were sure about paying him market rate or not he was like the IDEAL fit for their biggest need.......a deep threat they can keep on the field in every down.   It's not a secret that the next free agent WR class is poor and the strength of this draft was defense.   The WR class next year will probably look a lot like this past one,  except this past one looked A LOT better on paper at this time last year.  So 2-3 seasons may pass before you get a surer thing than DK was.  

 

Palmer looks like an over-priced half-measure by comparison.   Hopefully I am wrong about that but I just don't see an 8 figure aav boundary WR there.  

 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

F5 F5 F5 in late April is weird yall. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

 

 

 

Everyone continues to fall into this trap of thinking that WRs don’t put up numbers because of poor QB play, and that just isn’t the case.  People were convinced that Amari Cooper was going to light it up with Josh after leaving Cleveland.  It didn’t happen.  Meanwhile, Jerry Jeudy moved from Denver to Cleveland and had a career year. 

 

If a WR doesn’t put up numbers, it’s because he’s not a very good WR.

 

Did you really just use Jerry Jeudy in your example here?  The same Jerry Jeudy who in his 4 years in Denver averaged 763 yards per game before in year 5 putting up 1229 yards in his first year in Cleveland?  He was a bust in terms of his expectations and actual 4 year production in Denver prior to switching teams and breaking out in year 5.

 

Also, I don't know anyone who thought Cooper was going to "light it up", and I certainly was NOT one of them.  I mean no one was every going to light it up in this spread the ball around offense, its not how our offense functions.

 

So this notion that if they aren't putting up certain numbers in one place then they will never do it elsewhere is inaccurate and history is littered with examples.  Now, it doesn't mean they will just suddenly bust out or reach their potential going to another situation either.  But there is a reason they say sometimes they just need a change of scenery, and this is true for any position like when we acquired what was then a bust in Jerry Hughes.

[MrEpsYtown]

21 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

F5 F5 F5 in late April is weird yall. 

if they can make this happen I can go back into hibernation

[Dablitzkrieg]

Petty, but understandable.

 

[NeverOutNick]

6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Petty, but understandable.

 

Welp so much for that. Beane isn’t losing a comp pick for a WR. He needs those picks to move up for another DT 

Edited 15 hours ago by NeverOutNick

[The Jokeman]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

First off, they quite obviously should have done a better job addressing the position in the prior 3 drafts.   They can triple dip on DL and DB this draft but couldn't double up on WR in a very deep 2024 draft?

 

But given the circumstance they'd put themselves in,  trading for DK was definitely the play.

 

The trade price was right,  give them a 2 and a day 3 pick to beat Pittsburgh's offer.   Whether some fans were sure about paying him market rate or not he was like the IDEAL fit for their biggest need.......a deep threat they can keep on the field in every down.   It's not a secret that the next free agent WR class is poor and the strength of this draft was defense.   The WR class next year will probably look a lot like this past one,  except this past one looked A LOT better on paper at this time last year.  So 2-3 seasons may pass before you get a surer thing than DK was.  

 

Palmer looks like an over-priced half-measure by comparison.   Hopefully I am wrong about that but I just don't see an 8 figure aav boundary WR there.  

 

 

Palmer over priced? Check https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/wr/sort/contract_average

 

Palmer had 39 catches for 584 last year and the 34th highest paid WR at $9.67m

 

By comparison some in his range

 

Tutu Atwell 42 562 getting $10m

Dyami Brown 30 308 getting $10m

Allen Lazard 37 530 getting $11m

Gabe Davis 20 239 getting $13m

[Billl]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Did you really just use Jerry Jeudy in your example here?  The same Jerry Jeudy who in his 4 years in Denver averaged 763 yards per game before in year 5 putting up 1229 yards in his first year in Cleveland?  He was a bust in terms of his expectations and actual 4 year production in Denver prior to switching teams and breaking out in year 5.

 

Also, I don't know anyone who thought Cooper was going to "light it up", and I certainly was NOT one of them.  I mean no one was every going to light it up in this spread the ball around offense, its not how our offense functions.

 

So this notion that if they aren't putting up certain numbers in one place then they will never do it elsewhere is inaccurate and history is littered with examples.  Now, it doesn't mean they will just suddenly bust out or reach their potential going to another situation either.  But there is a reason they say sometimes they just need a change of scenery, and this is true for any position like when we acquired what was then a bust in Jerry Hughes.

Cool. Want to try to match the players with the quotes?

 

On 3/16/2023 at 12:58 PM, Success said:

People have to remember - the best QB this guy had throwing to him was a pretty washed up Brees.

 

He stretches the field. And Allen is more likely to find him and connect w/ him when he does.

 

 

On 3/15/2023 at 1:51 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He’s coming to play with an elite QB now, who’s gotten his WRs to elevate their play. 

 

On 3/15/2023 at 11:33 AM, Success said:

 

Has he played w/ an elite QB?

 

I'm excited to see what he does w/ Allen.  I keep reading that he has elite separation skills, and is also good at forcing missed tackles.   We do not have anyone on the roster who can stretch the field, and he fits that bill.

 

I can see Allen bringing out the best in him, and a few deep balls where Harty is 10 yards past the defender....

 

 

On 3/15/2023 at 11:13 AM, Rico said:

Not slamming the signing, but he didn’t do anything against the Bills on Thanksgiving in 2021… having Trevor Siemian at QB probably didn’t help.

 

On 3/16/2024 at 6:17 AM, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Stupid pet peeve of mine but I hate when writers don't use that whole quote.  "Jack-of-all trades but a master of none IS OFTENTIMES BETTER THAN A MASTER OF ONE" 

 

Samuel was rated the #1 running back in all of New York in high school.  He primarily played running back at Ohio state before transitioning to wide receiver for the nfl draft.  This guy is our deebo Samuel!  He's super fast and is not afraid of contact , just look at the highlights!

 

In Carolina he played with Cam Newton who at that time was running on fumes.  He then played with the likes of pj walker and Sam Howells. Just wait until this guy has a dynamic qb like allen. 

 

On 3/15/2024 at 1:06 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

"Volume stats are not there" ...  I have a huge amount of respect for Cover 1.  But sometimes when they make statements like this, they leave out the main reason (even though they cover it in their video's) why the "Volume" stats are not there...  Should we discuss who has been Washingtons QB the last 3 years?

 

On 3/17/2024 at 1:29 PM, mikemac2001 said:

I noticed him he just had crap for QBs guy has been a weapon I think he is going to go wild in this offense 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Palmer looks like an over-priced half-measure by comparison.   Hopefully I am wrong about that but I just don't see an 8 figure aav boundary WR there.  

 

While I don't disagree that Palmer feels like a half measure, the 9.67m annually he makes in 2025 contract terms is inflated by the yearly rise in salary cap.

 

9.67m annually this year would have been lower than that and more in line with what one think he should have been paid even just a couple years ago. I forget who's video I was watching but they said their mind is stuck in 2021, 2022 prices. We look at numbers and think "overpay" without realizing these days, almost every contract for everyone above a journeyman level of play seems like an overpay.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Aussie Joe]

This seems to happen so infrequently that I forget the consequences …

 

Can he can still elect to sign with the Bills at a lesser amount ?  Does this just impact the Bills future comp pick formula or do they need to give up a pick? 

Edited 14 hours ago by Aussie Joe

[Success]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Cool. Want to try to match the players with the quotes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good homework!  Can't imagine how much time that took.

 

Are you just trying to convince us to not get excited about anything again?

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, Billl said:

Cool. Want to try to match the players with the quotes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Literally does not prove anything other than that sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn’t when a payer goes to a new team.
 

The guy YOU used just put up 500 more yards in his 5th year than he averaged his first 4 after switching teams.  

 

Love how you want to cherry pick when a change of a scenery didn’t work…ignore when it did…then blanket paint the picture it never works lol.  
 

Classic TSW though 
 

Edited 14 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

This seems to happen so infrequently that I forget the consequences …

 

Can he can still elect to sign with the Bills at a lesser amount ?  Does this just impact the Bills future comp pick formula or do they need to give up a pick? 

 

Gotta be honest, i've never heard of this before. Looking up what it means, says this:

 

Quote

In NFL free agency, a team can place a one-year contract offer, known as a tender, on an unrestricted free agent (UFA) who has completed four or more accrued seasons. This tender is essentially a "qualifying offer" that gives the team a right of first refusal on the player if they choose to sign with another team. If the player signs the tender, they are obligated to play for the team offering the tender. If the player chooses to sign with another team, the team that offered the tender can negotiate a trade to acquire compensation for losing the player, or can decline the tender and the player becomes an unrestricted free agent. 

 

I'm still kind of confused by the wording, honestly. I don't know if this means if we offer more and they refuse to match it we outright get him like a Transition Tag deal or if we'd have to give them something.

 

Either way, I'm not sure we're paying more than 3.5m or jumping through any sort of hoops for Elijah Moore.

Edited 14 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Gotta be honest, i've never heard of this before. Looking up what it means, says this:

 

 

I'm still kind of confused by the wording, honestly. I don't know if this means if we offer more and they refuse to match it we outright get him like a Transition Tag deal or if we'd have to give them something.

 

Either way, I'm not sure we're paying more than 3.5m or jumping through any sort of hoops for Elijah Moore.

It's very strange.  Basically forcing another team to trade for a player that you don't have the rights to.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Those pesky Browns. You can have Lake Erie it’s big and boring. 

[BillsShredder83]

11 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Midly productive with terrible qb play for the majority of his career.  I think he is worth a look. 

I don't think it's nuts that he could be our Jon brown