Goin Breakdown Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago McBeane have both said comments like "we need to gain speed both horizontally, and vertically. They expressed disappointment in Coleman for how he handled coming back from his injury. To a degree they have even criticized Kincaid (not a WR I know) for strength and performance. They scrambled to find help at WR last season and it worked in that it opened up other players, but it failed in that we still had no separation and cooper (to this point) is not a consideration for resigning (lost a 3rd round pick). Beane did say he had WR on the board but lost out on drafting them yet still packaged picks together to move up for more defense. I am NOT arguing that the draft was bad or that they used the picks in the wrong side of the ball. I AM saying that I understand the side of this discussion that says we need help at WR. No one is wrong in thinking that and the same goes for those who think we're fine. BUT there is room for debate on both sides given the ques from the coaches. Telling us that we need speed and then a couple months later come back out with condescending comments like football isn't a track meet and this isn't fantasy football. Which is it? This is why this whole thing is so interesting to me. Mixed signals and then getting defensive on the part of the office. I hope the offense is as good and lucky with the turnover battle. I hope that McD gets back to the top of the league on defense. (He's been there before to the tune of no SB appearance) Regardless. This is our team. Go Bills! 1 Quote
zow2 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: It would make a difference if we scored 35 points Very true, but KC had a really tough defense last season. I'd say in both KC games, the Bills moved the ball against the Chiefs better than any other club all season. 1 2 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Beane’s comments prove one thing: they do not feel any real urgency to upgrade the skill positions on offense. The upcoming season will put that approach on trial. 1 2 Quote
Motorin' Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: McBeane have both said comments like "we need to gain speed both horizontally, and vertically. They expressed disappointment in Coleman for how he handled coming back from his injury. To a degree they have even criticized Kincaid (not a WR I know) for strength and performance. They scrambled to find help at WR last season and it worked in that it opened up other players, but it failed in that we still had no separation and cooper (to this point) is not a consideration for resigning (lost a 3rd round pick). Beane did say he had WR on the board but lost out on drafting them yet still packaged picks together to move up for more defense. I am NOT arguing that the draft was bad or that they used the picks in the wrong side of the ball. I AM saying that I understand the side of this discussion that says we need help at WR. No one is wrong in thinking that and the same goes for those who think we're fine. BUT there is room for debate on both sides given the ques from the coaches. Telling us that we need speed and then a couple months later come back out with condescending comments like football isn't a track meet and this isn't fantasy football. Which is it? This is why this whole thing is so interesting to me. Mixed signals and then getting defensive on the part of the office. I hope the offense is as good and lucky with the turnover battle. I hope that McD gets back to the top of the league on defense. (He's been there before to the tune of no SB appearance) Regardless. This is our team. Go Bills! I really hope not drafting Royals in the 3rd and letting the Chiefs scoop him at the end of the 4th round doesn't come back to haunt us. 1 Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 36 minutes ago, NoSaint said: come on - you don’t think that spreading the ball was a result of having 4 WR2-3 and no WR1? if we plopped a chase or Jefferson in, he just gets hollins targets? I'd love to see Josh in an everyone eats offense with the likes of Cinci's WR group. Why not spread the ball with better talent right!? 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: It would make a difference if we scored 35 points Yet that changes the complexion of the game, just because we score more doesn't guarantee the defense doesn't let up more. As if we're paying the better WR we're likely sacrificing spending more on a defender which weakens a defense etc. Quote
Fan boy '92 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago On 4/28/2025 at 9:26 AM, blitzboy54 said: Only one of those things worked. A blind man could see nobody could get open last year. The defense compresses our pass catchers because they can't take off the top. Drafting 2 pass catchers in the last 2 years that can't get open doesn't help. Sorry but Jeremy is 100% right on this. It is obvious to anyone who watches film what the gap is. Don't worry. Keon Coleman will be our salvation. 1 Quote
MJS Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Beane’s comments prove one thing: they do not feel any real urgency to upgrade the skill positions on offense. The upcoming season will put that approach on trial. It's not about that. It's just that they needed to prioritize the defense this year. I'm sure they would love to have added a couple of really good receivers. But resources are limited. The Bills have virtually no cap space. They are completely tapped out and will need to restructure or cut/trade someone to get some cap space just for in-season roster management. You can't address everything. Next year, they will focus on the offense. 5 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 minute ago, MJS said: It's not about that. It's just that they needed to prioritize the defense this year. I'm sure they would love to have added a couple of really good receivers. But resources are limited. The Bills have virtually no cap space. They are completely tapped out and will need to restructure or cut/trade someone to get some cap space just for in-season roster management. You can't address everything. Next year, they will focus on the offense. The thing is you can justify every individual decision in a vacuum that prioritises something else over receiver but when you have spent one pick in the first three rounds on a receiver in EIGHT years, even if you want to include the trade for Stef it is only two in EIGHT years then you can start to make assumptions about their level of urgency and prioritisation of the position. 1 1 1 1 Quote
TheFunPolice Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Benford was the late round pick the year Elam was drafted and was better almost right away. What is we just drafted 2 more Benford level players at CB? That's huge for the defense going forward. Quote
Madbillsfan Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago On 4/28/2025 at 8:51 AM, MikePJ76 said: Man he came out firing this morning. he dropped the you guys all wanted Josh Rosen and hated Josh Allen to start! That’s true. Jeremy did say he’d eat a flip flop if they drafted Allen. Quote
Andrew Son Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The thing is you can justify every individual decision in a vacuum that prioritises something else over receiver but when you have spent one pick in the first three rounds on a receiver in EIGHT years, even if you want to include the trade for Stef it is only two in EIGHT years then you can start to make assumptions about their level of urgency and prioritisation of the position. But at the end of the day the offensive production has been elite. It's crystal clear what has been holding this team back. I'm with Beane, this WR train crusade is idiotic. Quote
KentuckyBillsFan Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Andrew Son said: But at the end of the day the offensive production has been elite. It's crystal clear what has been holding this team back. I'm with Beane, this WR train crusade is idiotic. McDermott's scheme? 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Andrew Son said: But at the end of the day the offensive production has been elite. It's crystal clear what has been holding this team back. I'm with Beane, this WR train crusade is idiotic. It's crystal clear we have had the ball at the end of the last two playoff losses and haven't got it done with an all world Quarterback. The defense needed upgrades, no question, but I remain unconvinced that we have the pieces when we really need them to go and score at the end of a playoff game for all the marbles. 2 1 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: Don't worry. Keon Coleman will be our salvation. yeah, I’m really not sure what they saw in him. I’m not saying he’s a bad player or anything, but he certainly does not have any elite traits. Nothing that would make me want to pick him near the 1st round (first pick of the second round). He is the opposite of fast, and a player can make up for lack of speed if they are a great possession receiver… but he drops a crap ton of balls, too. I feel like he would’ve been a nice fourth round pick. 3 Quote
Andrew Son Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Just now, GunnerBill said: It's crystal clear we have had the ball at the end of the last two playoff losses and haven't got it done with an all world Quarterback. The defense needed upgrades, no question, but I remain unconvinced that we have the pieces when we really need them to go and score at the end of a playoff game for all the marbles. The inability to get stops has made the margin for error razor thin. Quote
HappyDays Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said: I guess we need another WR though, so we can push our 2nd round pick from LY to #4 on the depth chart....yep, makes sense. It's about getting a WR with a specific necessary skill set. I didn't need the Bills to spend a top 100 pick on a WR from this class or multiple picks. I just wanted a WR that could play outside and get vertical, that's all. The role is so important they got rid of MVS so they could trade for Cooper last year. As of right now we don't even have an MVS on the roster, the role remains unfilled. Also for a team with an "everybody eats" mentality the #5 WR is more important than it is for other teams. Yeah when your top 2 are Chase/Higgins or Hill/Waddle no one cares who your #5 is. But when your offense is built around WRs that are all complementary role players with specific skill sets, you better make sure all the skill sets are accounted for and every player has a way to contribute. I don't know how anyone couldn't be concerned that we're going to see games like the Ravens and Texans last year where the offense was a slog because we had no way to threaten them downfield outside. We added Cooper and the lights clicked on. We at least need to get that baseline on the roster. I thought early day three was a great opportunity to do that in this class. 3 Quote
Cray51 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, Pete said: Compare Keon against Ladd McConkey Compare Dalton to Sam LaPorta Players drafted after Dalton and Keon produced substantially more than Keon and Dalton rookie years. Keon and Dalton were awful in the playoffs. We have every right to be disappointed in Keon and Dalton Ladd is a slot receiver only. He is not and will not be an outside vertical threat. They believe Coleman will be that. Sam Laporta's year last year was just like Kincaid's rookie year (barring TDs, which are always too fluctuating to be relevant in trend discussions). I understand being disappointed - but that's not what you said. You said "miss" The players still had moments and can be contributing players. That's not a miss. If the goal for a pick is to be better than every single pick after you, every GM will fail almost every year. Compare Allen to Jackson - we traded up twice to take a guy who has less MVPs than the guy we could've selected at 23... There was one receiver drafted after Keon who outproduced him prior to injury - Ladd. Who is a slot guy There was one TE who outproduced Kincaid - Laporta, who was part of the best designed and staffed offense in the league That doesn't make both guys misses 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: yeah, I’m really not sure what they saw in him. I’m not saying he’s a bad player or anything, but he certainly does not have any elite traits. Nothing that would make me want to pick him near the 1st round (first pick of the second round). He is the opposite of fast, and a player can make up for lack of speed if they are a great possession receiver… but he drops a crap ton of balls, too. I feel like he would’ve been a nice fourth round pick. If he was where Bishop was selected last year I would've been fine with his rookie season. I think when engaged, he can go up and pluck the ball better than most. It's the other things that he needs to work on. Quote
GunnerBill Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Andrew Son said: The inability to get stops has made the margin for error razor thin. No question. But as I keep saying I don't believe for a moment that if the Bills keep the Chiefs to 17 in a playoff game it will result in a 29-17 victory. We have played defensive battle type games with them in the regular season. 20-17 and 24-20. It always comes down to the end. If the Bills defense held the Chiefs to 17 points in the post-season they'd hold us to very similar. It's just how these two play each other. It always comes down to the end. It's about the key drives - on both sides. And while I don't dispute the defense hasn't made those key stops when it has mattered either, the last two years on those key drives at the end the offense despite Josh being Josh hasn't been good enough to get it done. 1 Quote
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