Brandon Beane on WGR

[aristocrat]

Beane has used a good amount of capital to get Josh weapons but he just hasn't hit. The trade that kills me is the one moving up for Kincaid when we already had Knox on the team. A first and a fourth when perhaps we could have gone up and gotten Addison, Flowers or Smith-Njigba. Our offense would have been cooking in 23 with Diggs and one of those guys. That pick imo cost us a title.

[WNYFAN1]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Beane has used a good amount of capital to get Josh weapons but he just hasn't hit. The trade that kills me is the one moving up for Kincaid when we already had Knox on the team. A first and a fourth when perhaps we could have gone up and gotten Addison, Flowers or Smith-Njigba. Our offense would have been cooking in 23 with Diggs and one of those guys. That pick imo cost us a title.

I don't dislike Beane, at all. But it does make me wonder, is he, or really any GM, much better at the draft than a random number generator would be?

 

Put another way, what percentage of the draft is luck vs skill?

[turbo044]

2 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

They missed on Kincaid. They missed on Coleman. They were caught unprepared when Diggs departed. Sean is tired of his D not being at the level of Leslie and wants to secure a DC job next year if he fails to make the Super Bowl again.

This is a terrible take.  KInkaid had two bad knees last year and Coleman was a rookie who was coming on before his injury - let's see they look at this year.  How can they have been unprepared for Diggs departing when we traded him and allowed him to depart - our choice?? McDermott setting things up for his next DC job is comical

[MasterStrategist]

36 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

All true... but conveniently ignores the fact that the Bills defense DID generate a ton of turnovers, resulting in the offense having the best starting field position in the entire league. Gotta think that helped them score all those points...

Turnovers are volatile, everyone knows that.

 

Ignore that our defense was worse than bad, at key moments LY-  Rams, Chiefs, Ravens, etc.  and all playoff losses have been bc we can't stop our opponent.  

 

Then look at the actual players who got snaps: Von, Rasul, Phillips, Jefferson, Elam, etc

 

Our defensive talent, speed has been downright awful.  I guess we need another WR though, so we can push our 2nd round pick from LY to #4 on the depth chart....yep, makes sense.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

A poster declaring Coleman a miss after his rookie year with an injury tells you that they are safe to ignore in future conversations.

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

A poster declaring Coleman a miss after his rookie year with an injury tells you that they are safe to ignore in future conversations.

What does a football hitting Wide Receiver in back of helmet say about his football acumen?

Edited 7 hours ago by Pete

[Jdragon2]

49 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

All true... but conveniently ignores the fact that the Bills defense DID generate a ton of turnovers, resulting in the offense having the best starting field position in the entire league. Gotta think that helped them score all those points...

 

If you depend on a defense to get turnovers to be good, you're already thinking poorly. I'd rather take a top 5 defense with bottom 5 turnovers then top 5 turnovers and 20+ defense.

 

I get the WR takes, but the fact is even with a #1 we aren't going to force-feed them the ball. They've shown that all year last year and from what I can tell thats not going to change. What does it matter if the receivers we have are capable? Keon is still a "?" but Shakir is proven. Knox is proven (to a point) Kincaid should hopefully bounce back. Palmer should be decent. Find me one more average or better outside receiver and I don't see the issue. Which, by the way, we weren't likely to find in the bottom half of the draft. 

 

If they sign Moore then thats even less of a reason to be ticked since they obviously see the need and are looking to address it. I understand why Beane acted like he did, and I agree with most everything he said. Jeremy has been fixated on this WR thing for years.

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

What does a football hitting Wide Receiver in back of helmet say about his football acumen?

 

That he hadn't finished his route, or there was a miscommunication with a rookie and quarterback, what does a star QB trying to bully his way through 3-4 defense only to fumble the ball say about HIS football acumen.... 

 

Edit: Or throwing into triple coverage? Or throwing a death ball in the middle of the field? the list could go on

 

Going to call him a bust too?

Edited 7 hours ago by Jdragon2

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

It was amusing listening to Jeremy and Joe squirm this morning.  They were embarrassed on a national stage and are making it worse with their excuses of why Beane wasn't justified in his rant.  Someone important finally called them out on their lazy commentary and lack of insight.  It is sad that a great sports town like Buffalo has only one legit sports station and a serious lack of talent on that station.

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

I don't dislike Beane, at all. But it does make me wonder, is he, or really any GM, much better at the draft than a random number generator would be?

 

Put another way, what percentage of the draft is luck vs skill?

 

It's about scheme and player type IMO. The Bills don't always draft the best player on paper, they draft guys that fit what they want to do. And I guess that is why we see misses and things of that nature. I think it's a lot of luck, but teams like the Ravens just draft athletes, arm lengths, sizes, injury reg flags, and off field stuff be damned, and that's why it seems like they hit more often than others, I think they just have different standards than a team like the Bills who have very specific types they are looking for. 

 

The Bills are the picky guy at the bar at 3 am who may go home alone. Teams like the Ravens always seem to get lucky because they are open to anything. 

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Jdragon2 said:

 

If you depend on a defense to get turnovers to be good, you're already thinking poorly. I'd rather take a top 5 defense with bottom 5 turnovers then top 5 turnovers and 20+ defense.

 

I get the WR takes, but the fact is even with a #1 we aren't going to force-feed them the ball. They've shown that all year last year and from what I can tell thats not going to change. What does it matter if the receivers we have are capable? Keon is still a "?" but Shakir is proven. Knox is proven (to a point) Kincaid should hopefully bounce back. Palmer should be decent. Find me one more average or better outside receiver and I don't see the issue. Which, by the way, we weren't likely to find in the bottom half of the draft. 

 

If they sign Moore then thats even less of a reason to be ticked since they obviously see the need and are looking to address it. I understand why Beane acted like he did, and I agree with most everything he said. Jeremy has been fixated on this WR thing for years.

 

That he hadn't finished his route, or there was a miscommunication with a rookie and quarterback, what does a star QB trying to bully his way through 3-4 defense only to fumble the ball say about HIS football acumen.... 

 

Going to call him a bust too?

Keon, pre Poyer hit, looked promising.  But Keon needs to learn to beat a jam.  Right now he looks like a fish out of water.   And he needs to just elevate, and stop playing patty cakes with defender.  Keon is Elam handsy, and won a very low percentage on 50/50 balls.  Keon put on 10-15 pounds, which Im not sure if its going to make him quicker.  Im not writing Keon off, and Im rooting for him.  Prove us wrong Keon

[BananaB]

16 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

This is a terrible take.  KInkaid had two bad knees last year and Coleman was a rookie who was coming on before his injury - let's see they look at this year.  How can they have been unprepared for Diggs departing when we traded him and allowed him to depart - our choice?? McDermott setting things up for his next DC job is comical

Kincaids problem is he has to split time Knox. Only time either has got going over the past two years is when the other guy was out with injury. Kincaid was a terrible pick because they had signed Knox 8 months before. They are both solid players but the situation is crap because they can’t get two guys moving. Remember Beane going on that Knox was Beasley but bigger, that never really happened did it. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

12 minutes ago, Pete said:

What does a football hitting Wide Receiver in back of helmet say about his football acumen?

 

Says the rookie has a lot to learn. As rookies do.

[Pete]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Kincaids problem is he has to split time Knox. Only time either has got going over the past two years is when the other guy was out with injury. Kincaid was a terrible pick because they had signed Knox 8 months before. They are both solid players but the situation is crap because they can’t get two guys moving. Remember Beane going on that Knox was Beasley but bigger, that never really happened did it. 

Im not sure why the Bills are not more successful in 12 personal.  We have a kickass OL.  Brady should be able to scheme Dalton and Knox, like Pats did with Gronk and Hernandez

[NeverOutNick]

I don’t usually listen to the DA show on XM but today I did and loved the coverage on Beane.

 

Summarizing: You can’t come in hot like that. You didn’t win the Super Bowl or even get there. You consistently lose to the chiefs in the playoffs. It’s a local radio show and they see that McD keeps messing up in big moments, it’s totally justified for them to question the GM

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Even this morning these guys still aren’t getting it. Complaining about Kinkaid and Samuel. Acting like we weren’t good enough still on offense. Just trying to discredit what Beane said. Offended by the fantasy football comment like they are above that.

 

We score more than anybody, we have the mvp of the league at QB, we win all the time because of the offense, move the ball at will, scored 30 tds rushing and 30passing which is inconceivable. 
 

every good QB has all day to throw on us, we never make big stops, if we aren’t turning people over we aren’t stopping them, the defense got us knocked out of the playoffs every year after Jacksonville. Almost every team in the nfl would trade their offense for ours….

 

WR train.. you just sound ridiculous 

[mjt328]

13 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

I don't dislike Beane, at all. But it does make me wonder, is he, or really any GM, much better at the draft than a random number generator would be?

 

Put another way, what percentage of the draft is luck vs skill?

 

There are elements of both luck and skill.

But it's no coincidence that some GMs (Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens) are consistently finding good players at the back-end of the draft, and others (Jets, Browns) keep picking busts at the very top.

 

Beane was fortunate to land a generational QB with his first draft pick ever.  It has made everything after it just a little bit easier.  But he still had to cleverly maneuver his way up the draft board and into the Top 10 to get him, without sacrificing a fortune or the team's future.  He also had to put in the work to know Josh Allen was the guy, when lots of others believed it should have been Josh Rosen.

 

Anyone who was here during the Tom Donahoe, Marv Levy, Buddy Nix years knows the truth.  Those guys didn't just have bad luck.  They consistently made poor decisions about positional value, cap management, how talent fit on the roster... along with just simply picking bad players.  

 

As I've said before.  Beane isn't in the top tier of GMs with Howie Roseman, Brett Veach or Eric DeCosta.  But he is in the next group, and probably in the Top 5 across the NFL.  Even when he makes mistakes, they usually aren't totally catastrophic.  And he usually balances them out with smart decisions elsewhere.  For example... many would say that his worst high draft pick so far is Kaiir Elam.  But he also managed to offset that error by finding Christian Benford in the 5th Round.

 

[Buffalo4Life01]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

Keon, pre Poyer hit, looked promising.  But Keon needs to learn to beat a jam.  Right now he looks like a fish out of water.   And he needs to just elevate, and stop playing patty cakes with defender.  Keon is Elam handsy, and won a very low percentage on 50/50 balls.  Keon put on 10-15 pounds, which Im not sure if its going to make him quicker.  Im not writing Keon off, and Im rooting for him.  Prove us wrong Keon

This right here.  Great points you bring up and it's all very evident from watching the tape.  Needs to improve getting off press man and working with his hands along with elevating more timely.  That said, what has me hopeful and even cautiously optimistic is the fact that he flashed more than enough before the injury to show what he can do on the field and what he can become with more practice and more time to work on his craft.  Does he have the motivation to elevate his game and become great?  Time will tell.  

[aristocrat]

26 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

I don't dislike Beane, at all. But it does make me wonder, is he, or really any GM, much better at the draft than a random number generator would be?

 

Put another way, what percentage of the draft is luck vs skill?

 

It's a lot of skill. Especially managing the salary cap which Beane has done well. He's got some nice hits but the game is such small margin and he just hasn't been able to get us that extra playmaker. 

[Johnnycage46]

8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Even this morning these guys still aren’t getting it. Complaining about Kinkaid and Samuel. Acting like we weren’t good enough still on offense. Just trying to discredit what Beane said. Offended by the fantasy football comment like they are above that.

 

We score more than anybody, we have the mvp of the league at QB, we win all the time because of the offense, move the ball at will, scored 30 tds rushing and 30passing which is inconceivable. 
 

every good QB has all day to throw on us, we never make big stops, if we aren’t turning people over we aren’t stopping them, the defense got us knocked out of the playoffs every year after Jacksonville. Almost every team in the nfl would trade their offense for ours….

 

WR train.. you just sound ridiculous 

 

This is a perfect summary.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I don’t usually listen to the DA show on XM but today I did and loved the coverage on Beane.

 

Summarizing: You can’t come in hot like that. You didn’t win the Super Bowl or even get there. You consistently lose to the chiefs in the playoffs. It’s a local radio show and they see that McD keeps messing up in big moments, it’s totally justified for them to question the GM

 

You can't put McDermott messing up in big moments on Beane. That would fall to Terry since both Beane and McDermott report to him. Since they are equals neither one of them could fire the other as only Terry can make that call.