Brandon Beane on WGR

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, transient said:

It was the Minnesota game that Allen threw the pick in the end zone.

Gabe did the same thing in the Philly game. 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

It’s an interesting take but not one any of those teams have followed to the degree of the Bills. The Ravens have two first round WRs they drafted in the last 5 years, the Eagles spent first rounders and big contracts on Devonta Smith and AJ Brown and the chiefs spent a first on Worthy and seconds on Rice and Skyy Moore from 22-24 while having a HoF TE on roster.

 

I do agree the Bills had a pretty good draft tho.

Eagles did what LY, that led to a SB season?

 

I'll give a hint...Buffalo followed suit stocking up defense.

[transient]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Gabe did the same thing in the Philly game. 

I was actually realizing after I responded that he did it a bunch of times...

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Eagles did what LY, that led to a SB season?

 

I'll give a hint...Buffalo followed suit stocking up defense.

The Eagles are a really hard model to try and follow because they format contracts unlike any other team in the league to fit all these great players on their roster. 
 

Their defense was a huge part of their Super Bowl win, but they did have AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and Saquon Barkley in addition to a great OL that led them through a lot of games too.

[Malazan]

I think people overlook that this WR room has been under attack for 2 years now being told they suck. The GM coming out with this sort of defense of them likely goes a long way with those guys in the locker room.

 

I personally think there is little chance this wasn't a planned and calculated thing from Beane.

Edited 6 hours ago by Malazan

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, LEBills said:

The Eagles are a really hard model to try and follow because they format contracts unlike any other team in the league to fit all these great players on their roster. 
 

Their defense was a huge part of their Super Bowl win, but they did have AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and Saquon Barkley in addition to a great OL that led them through a lot of games too.

No disagreement.  But where we are as a franchise/players on this team, the guys available at our 1st 2 picks were not moving the needle for team success- we need defensive talent.

 

People act like we have premier talent on defense, or McD should be able to work magic with the likes of : a washed Von, Phillips, Jefferson, Rasul, Elam--- all guys with decent snaps in AfCCG.

 

The key is: Josh+top tier OL+strong stable of RBs+solid WRs with YAC = a very successful formula for offensive success.

 

Just like on defense, DL pressure+strong CB play= more turnovers, less points, more opportunities for Josh/offense each game.

 

Beane has missed horribly on some DL+Cb draft picks and FA signings.  But going back to the well is the right move.  If we had a really good/non elite QB (like Philly IMO), then we'd be having a different conversation.   We just finished with historical offense production, one of the best offenses (scoring) in entire NFL...and we have several young guys ready to take the next step + Palmer, which we need someone like Kincaid to make a big step like Khalil

[SCBills]

46 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I have a hard time reconciling this…. 
 

last year was a reset year where we overachieved. Some lucky bounces, relatively good health and an incredibly weak division. 
 

coming out of the reset our reloading includes Joey bosa, Josh Palmer and hoecht?  

Sounds like running it back with the reset team, no?

 

I worry we may see more games like that early season ravens-Texans pair where the team really struggled. On offense.

I think having “some” money was part of it.  The other part was being loaded with draft capital for a team who made the playoffs. 
 

I agree, we all thought coming out of a reset would mean an actual big fish or two, but that wasn’t meant to be given the Crosby/Garrett situations.

 

The draft capital is the bigger part.  Getting that two from the Diggs trade essentially got us two guys we probably liked at 30, plus Landon Jackson.  A lot of Day 3 picks allowing us to trade up for Walker and then take depth pieces for the secondary.  
 

It does honestly feel like a revamp.

 

Yea, the offense feels familiar, because it is, but the only place we really even wanted to upgrade was at 1 WR spot.  Everywhere else is elite (QB/OL) above average (RB) or betting on development (WR/TE).

 

The Defense could end up having a new depth safety, new depth nickel, new starting corner, two new depth corners, and the addition Joey Bosa, Larry Ogunjobi, Michael Hoecht, Pick 41, Pick 72 and Pick 109 to a DL that lost no one of concern. 
 

Edited 6 hours ago by SCBills

[US Egg]

10 minutes ago, Malazan said:

I think people overlook that this WR room has been under attack for 2 years now being told they suck. The GM coming out with this sort of defense of them likely goes a long way with those guys in the locker room.

 

I personally think there is little chance this wasn't a planned and calculated thing from Beane.

I think he’s thought about it for 8 yrs. 

[Richard Noggin]

Hey gang, been offline all day. What did I miss?

[LEBills]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

No disagreement.  But where we are as a franchise/players on this team, the guys available at our 1st 2 picks were not moving the needle for team success- we need defensive talent.

 

People act like we have premier talent on defense, or McD should be able to work magic with the likes of : a washed Von, Phillips, Jefferson, Rasul, Elam--- all guys with decent snaps in AfCCG.

 

The key is: Josh+top tier OL+strong stable of RBs+solid WRs with YAC = a very successful formula for offensive success.

 

Just like on defense, DL pressure+strong CB play= more turnovers, less points, more opportunities for Josh/offense each game.

 

Beane has missed horribly on some DL+Cb draft picks and FA signings.  But going back to the well is the right move.  If we had a really good/non elite QB (like Philly IMO), then we'd be having a different conversation.   We just finished with historical offense production, one of the best offenses (scoring) in entire NFL...and we have several young guys ready to take the next step + Palmer, which we need someone like Kincaid to make a big step like Khalil

I don’t think anyone has had any problem with using most picks on the defense, I was pretty ecstatic after day 2 ended.

I think the complaint has been not trying to add a receiver until after trading up twice for DTs, drafting the third DB, drafting a blocking TE and an OL. If the Bills had moved up from where they were, and landed a Jalen Royals, Elic Ayomanor or Tory Horton I think the noise would basically be non-existent.

 

The only young guys we have are Coleman and Kincaid who looked pretty bad last year and Palmer who really has been bland in LA. So not having new talent at WR has people like me feeling a bit down in that regard. Though I am excited for the defense.

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

I don’t think anyone has had any problem with using most picks on the defense, I was pretty ecstatic after day 2 ended.

I think the complaint has been not trying to add a receiver until after trading up twice for DTs, drafting the third DB, drafting a blocking TE and an OL. If the Bills had moved up from where they were, and landed a Jalen Royals, Elic Ayomanor or Tory Horton I think the noise would basically be non-existent.

 

The only young guys we have are Coleman and Kincaid who looked pretty bad last year and Palmer who really has been bland in LA. So not having new talent at WR has people like me feeling a bit down in that regard. Though I am excited for the defense.

So....with the guys you just mentioned, we passed on ALL of them, multiple times.

 

I'm sorry, but what do you know about these guys that Beane and his scouts don't? 

 

So, just because we didn't draft a 3rd/4th round WR, who likely would be sitting at WR5 on the depth chart...thats a gripe?

 

I'm sorry, but id you're trusting NFL media analysts draft board grades over Beane, then it just shows you don't trust BB.  Not saying BB is always right, but in this case, those WRs were passed over and Beane thinks he has better options in-house/possibly Elijah Moore or FA signing for depth.

[LEBills]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

So....with the guys you just mentioned, we passed on ALL of them, multiple times.

 

I'm sorry, but what do you know about these guys that Beane and his scouts don't? 

 

So, just because we didn't draft a 3rd/4th round WR, who likely would be sitting at WR5 on the depth chart...thats a gripe?

 

I'm sorry, but id you're trusting NFL media analysts draft board grades over Beane, then it just shows you don't trust BB.  Not saying BB is always right, but in this case, those WRs were passed over and Beane thinks he has better options in-house/possibly Elijah Moore or FA signing for depth.

Most of these rookies are going to be far down the depth chart to start with. The hope is to get them in and maybe they develop like Shakir did. Im a bit of a draftnik so I liked those guys personally, but trusting Beane is fair. He is not always right, but I really really hope he is!

[Boatdrinks]

15 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Hey gang, been offline all day. What did I miss?

Beane interview this AM on WGR, post draft wrap- up type of thing. He was in sort of a feisty mood. Dropped the B word a couple times in reference to the stations hosts clamoring for a WR. Made for some lively discussion with Jeremy White, probably blown out of proportion a bit now. 

[Doctor Duck]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I hope this exchange and the national coverage of it doesn't make Beane change any plans he had going forward.

Oh and it DID go national, Bart Winkler had a whole section on it on Infinity Sports Network. The best part was coming back from the commercial break and Shout is playing on national radio with more of Beane chewing them out. Thank you BBB! 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Jim said:

 

Yeah I kind of agree. I also just think a lot of these Buffalo sports guys (at least the WGR guys) are kinda amateurs.

 

Jeremy and Joe are kinda representative of the "Barstoolification" of sports media. I don't care about your golf game or your upside down hats or whatever the *****. Jeremy I liked as the younger-slightly "hipper" (but not really, Howard was way cooler imo) half of the Howard and Jeremy show. But he doesn't really carry the show on his own. And while I agree that the Bills should care more about the WR position than they do, the whole "WR train" brand he's created is kinda corny as *****. And Joe? I honestly don't get what he's good for. The only truly positive thing I'll say about him as he has the rhythm of the radio down pat. Like he sounds professional. But he also sounds like he's 17. And when I listen to him, I feel like he doesn't really add anything. Like all the rest of the main WGR guys I usually know where their point of view and personality comes through. I know many seem to not like Nate Geary but at least he has opinions. Joe is boring, sounds like he's 12, and did I mention he's boring. The job just seems too big for him. 

 

I personally think Schopp and the Bulldog are fun even if Schopp clearly has a sickness with the fantasy football (I'm not joking....does he really have hundreds of teams?) and Bulldog doesn't actually seem to do much more than just show up. Schopp does get impatient with callers, but at the same time, many are idiots who doesn't know what they are talking about. However, he also can be a bit of an ####### even to those who are bringing up an interesting thought.

 

Sal Cappacio might be the worst though. Even after the Beane thing today, with Schopp and Bulldog definitely leading the direction of Beane being ridiculous about the whole thing, Sal of course has to tow the Bills company line saying something like "how could they bring in another WR, where would he even play?" and the whole thing. He's a total company man for the Bills which is insane, cuz isn't the company he works WGR? Not the Buffalo Bills. As I've seen others say, he just seems to LOVE his cozy relationship with the team. And to an extent, I get it. We are all Bills fans, so are those guys. But the other WGR guys at least have the guts to say things could be better. Sal just loves that access so much he just can't do it for the most part. 

 

Perhaps as a kid it just seemed like way more mature and cool, but listening to WGR it seemed like adults discussing sports. It was a bit much but it still seemed like adults. Art Wander and whoever. A lot of these guys just don't seem like serious people. And I get it, it's just sports talk, but still. 

 

Lastly, am I surprised Jeremy folded under pressure? Nah. I probably would too. But I wish he had held his own and truly went to bat against Beane, at least bringing the need to bring in Amari Cooper  due to the Bills offense being stopped dead in it's tracks twice thru five games. But I get that. Beane showed up and he wilted. It is what it is.

There is a lot in here but I one thing I'm pretty sure of, Sal is employed by the Bills.  He does have his own show on WGR but he is the Buffalo Bills Sideline reporter (not the WGR Sideline reporter). 

Edited 5 hours ago by The Wiz

[MasterStrategist]

5 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Most of these rookies are going to be far down the depth chart to start with. The hope is to get them in and maybe they develop like Shakir did. Im a bit of a draftnik so I liked those guys personally, but trusting Beane is fair. He is not always right, but I really really hope he is!

I can see that line of thought, but Beane likely sees 2 key players that he has high hopes for-Kincaid and Keon.  Then add in Palmer, who they just locked up (then Shakir). Competition/stacking talent is a good thing, but i think it comes down to he feels that talent gap is wider at DL and we're much more vet heavy there.

 

I think we could see the opposite next year, but ideally we find ourselves in the situation that Palmer transitions in nicely and Kincaid/Keon take big steps forward.  Then I think we can truly start to stack talent, without focusing on need.

 

Good comments, hopefully Beane hit the DL picks-- if not, then I think he needs to figure out scouting deficiencies.

[Richard Noggin]

15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Beane interview this AM on WGR, post draft wrap- up type of thing. He was in sort of a feisty mood. Dropped the B word a couple times in reference to the stations hosts clamoring for a WR. Made for some lively discussion with Jeremy White, probably blown out of proportion a bit now. 

 

Was totally kidding, but being way too subtle about it, apparently. 

 

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I can see that line of thought, but Beane likely sees 2 key players that he has high hopes for-Kincaid and Keon.  Then add in Palmer, who they just locked up (then Shakir). Competition/stacking talent is a good thing, but i think it comes down to he feels that talent gap is wider at DL and we're much more vet heavy there.

 

I think we could see the opposite next year, but ideally we find ourselves in the situation that Palmer transitions in nicely and Kincaid/Keon take big steps forward.  Then I think we can truly start to stack talent, without focusing on need.

 

Good comments, hopefully Beane hit the DL picks-- if not, then I think he needs to figure out scouting deficiencies.

The thing that I keep going back to is that even these mid round defensive players are probably going to get playing time sooner than a 4th or 5th round WR in a bad WR draft pool.  With how the bills rotate their dline that pretty much a fact.  The only reason that they wouldn't be rotated in at some point is because they are probably not going to keep them.  That not much different than a 4th or 5th round WR.

 

And before you mention Gabe and Shakir, Gabe was a good find and Shakir was a projected 3rd rounder that they were lucky to have fall to the 5th.

 

 

Also, one of my favorite media takes, Shakir during his rookie season was one of the guys that most media members put "on the bubble" to making the team and look how that turned out.

Edited 5 hours ago by The Wiz

[Malazan]

25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Also, one of my favorite media takes, Shakir during his rookie season was one of the guys that most media members put "on the bubble" to making the team and look how that turned out.

We've also forgotten that WR is one of the slower developing positions in the sport with some stellar rookies having a big impact. Guys like Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr having success has a trickle down effect that raises expectation for all WRs when for guys outside the first couple rounds.. you still probably have year 3 as the make or break year for them.

[Richard Noggin]

32 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I can see that line of thought, but Beane likely sees 2 key players that he has high hopes for-Kincaid and Keon.  Then add in Palmer, who they just locked up (then Shakir). Competition/stacking talent is a good thing, but i think it comes down to he feels that talent gap is wider at DL and we're much more vet heavy there.

 

I think we could see the opposite next year, but ideally we find ourselves in the situation that Palmer transitions in nicely and Kincaid/Keon take big steps forward.  Then I think we can truly start to stack talent, without focusing on need.

 

Good comments, hopefully Beane hit the DL picks-- if not, then I think he needs to figure out scouting deficiencies.

 

16 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The thing that I keep going back to is that even these mid round defensive players are probably going to get playing time sooner than a 4th or 5th round WR in a bad WR draft pool.  With how the bills rotate their dline that pretty much a fact.  The only reason that they wouldn't be rotated in at some point is because they are probably not going to keep them.  That not much different than a 4th or 5th round WR.

 

And before you mention Gabe and Shakir, Gabe was a good find and Shakir was a projected 3rd rounder that they were lucky to have fall to the 5th.

 

 

Also, one of my favorite media takes, Shakir during his rookie season was one of the guys that most media members put "on the bubble" to making the team and look how that turned out.

 

Agree for the most part with where you're both going here. Beane HAS in fact invested in receiving targets with Kincaid and Coleman in the draft and Samuel and now Palmer in FA. Problem is, the results haven't been immediate or impactful. Shakir was both drafted and re-signed, though, so that's another much more successful target acquired and developed. Beane is now taking at least one more season to let his coaches maximize the aforementioned investments, with maybe one more addition to the room at some point in 2025. 

 

With the way Royals and Horton fell, of course we're frustrated that we didn't get one. But I think it was maybe more egregious to miss out on adding at least one more WR each of the past two drafts. This 2025 draft was at least properly milked for its specific depth at DL and DB. 

 

In a way, Beane is mirroring top NFC teams more than his AFC counterparts, with his emphasis on stocking the trenches overall and the defense in particular. I was happy to see him triple up on DLs and DBs. Go ahead and just fix those pipelines in a draft really well suited to doing so.